AFT NACELLE (Spoilers)

[Belz...]

The engineering section of the Enterprise has always been referred to as the "secondary" hull. That is why they call the saucer section the "primary" hull. For the writers to refer to the secondary hull as a nacelle is silly.

No, it's not. It's only silly if you cling to the "secondary hull" thing. I'm perfectly comfortable with the explanation that "aft nacelle" is the secondary hull. I know it doesn't mesh with previous Trek, but in the worst case scenario, it was a simple mistake.

 

[Tiberius]

How can anyone confuse a hull with a nacelle? I don't buy it. By this logic, the Enterprise is nothing but nacelles.

 

[CaptainDave1701]

The engineering section of the Enterprise has always been referred to as the "secondary" hull. That is why they call the saucer section the "primary" hull. For the writers to refer to the secondary hull as a nacelle is silly.

No, it's not. It's only silly if you cling to the "secondary hull" thing. I'm perfectly comfortable with the explanation that "aft nacelle" is the secondary hull. I know it doesn't mesh with previous Trek, but in the worst case scenario, it was a simple mistake.

Ummmm......yeah......

Historically speaking and back in the old days (you know the 60's and 70's) the star ship nomenclature always referred to the main sections of the Enterprise as being Primary and Secondary Hull.
However that being said it would seem that JJ's writing engineers have changed ships nomenclature to fit within their changed universe.
I guess.....

 

[CaptainDave1701]

Also, from someone (me) that has worked construction on Navy vessels for 22 years you would be surprised as to where they put things.

 

[Belz...]

How can anyone confuse a hull with a nacelle? I don't buy it. By this logic, the Enterprise is nothing but nacelles.

Yeah, except that primary hull thingy we keep mentioning.

 

[Tosk]

I'm perfectly comfortable with the explanation that "aft nacelle" is the secondary hull. I know it doesn't mesh with previous Trek, but in the worst case scenario, it was a simple mistake.

So in your scenario...the life support is located out in space, trailing behind the Enterprise?

The "secondary hull is a nacelle" thing doesn't even fix the goofed line, so why bother?

 

[Anduril]

Poe's Law is strong on the TrekBBS.

 

[Anduril]

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[Belz...]

Q

So in your scenario...the life support is located out in space, trailing behind the Enterprise?

Belz...'s First Law of Non Sequiturs: when a post begins with "so" you can bet that what follows bears no resemblance to the post being replied to.

Yeah, that's right. I meant that the life support is in space. I was talking about the engineering section. Did you even read what I wrote ?

The "secondary hull is a nacelle" thing doesn't even fix the goofed line, so why bother?

Why bother ? Why bother even talking about it since it's such an unimportant line ? If people are going to nitpick it, then I'm going to try to make it fit. Yes, it's probably a slip-up, but since the engineering section could be interpreted as a nacelle anyway, I don't see the problem.

 

[Tosk]

Re: Q

I was talking about the engineering section. Did you even read what I wrote ?

[Edited] I did read what you wrote, and I apologize for wording my initial reply in a sarcastic tone.

You posited that the engineering hull can be referred to as a nacelle. The line in ST12 is "behind the aft nacelle" My point was that if the engineering/secondary hull were the nacelle in question, then behind it would be in space.

If I've misunderstood your point, then I will offer a second apology.

 

[Belz...]

Re: Q

You posited that the engineering hull can be referred to as a nacelle. The line in ST12 is "behind the aft nacelle" My point was that if the engineering/secondary hull were the nacelle in question, then behind it would be in space.

Ah. Sorry, then.

Well there's no completely satisfactory way to explain that line, anyway. We're just doing what fans do best, after all.

 

[boobatuba]

The whole point is that Khan is supposed to be a super-genius, Wily Coyote-style. If he's so smart, why would he say something as stupid as "behind the aft nacelle"? Why doesn't Spock react to his blunder? And, for that matter, if he knew where the life support system was, why didn't he destroy it with his opening salvo?

Answer: Because the film makers don't care about any of that.

 

[M'Sharak]

Historically speaking and back in the old days (you know the 60's and 70's) the star ship nomenclature always referred to the main sections of the Enterprise as being Primary and Secondary Hull.

Referred to as such in episode dialogue, or in material not presented on-screen?

 

[Belz...]

The whole point is that Khan is supposed to be a super-genius, Wily Coyote-style. If he's so smart, why would he say something as stupid as "behind the aft nacelle"? Why doesn't Spock react to his blunder? And, for that matter, if he knew where the life support system was, why didn't he destroy it with his opening salvo?

Answer: Because the film makers don't care about any of that.

In-universe possible answer: Khan doesn't care about Federation terminology.

 

[beamMe]

The whole point is that Khan is supposed to be a super-genius, Wily Coyote-style. If he's so smart, why would he say something as stupid as "behind the aft nacelle"? Why doesn't Spock react to his blunder? And, for that matter, if he knew where the life support system was, why didn't he destroy it with his opening salvo?

Answer: Because the film makers don't care about any of that.

What opening salvo? Khan fired on the Enterprise only after he got his people back.

He clearly wanted to avoid shooting at her for fear of putting his crew at risk when targeting the life support system.

 

[draderman]

No, it's not. It's only silly if you cling to the "secondary hull" thing.

I took this pic from "Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise". I don't care if you disagree with me, but surely you're not suggesting we ignore the terminology of the Miracle Worker ?!?

(also: note what they call the "pylon" between the two hulls)

 

[draderman]

I don't know why; because im bored i guess...

 

[Belz...]

No, it's not. It's only silly if you cling to the "secondary hull" thing.

I took this pic from "Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise". I don't care if you disagree with me, but surely you're not suggesting we ignore the terminology of the Miracle Worker ?!?

I'll assume you're joking, here.

I don't know why; because im bored i guess...

Beautiful. I'll call Paramount.

 

[draderman]

I'll assume you're joking, here.

Assumption correct.

Referred to as such in episode dialogue, or in material not presented on-screen?

After spending 10 minutes utilizing my web browsers find function on Chrissie's transcript site (http://www.chakoteya.net/), I can confirm that the term "Secondary Hull" is not spoken on-screen in any of the original, animated or first 6 TOS movies

 

[M'Sharak]

Referred to as such in episode dialogue, or in material not presented on-screen?

After spending 10 minutes utilizing my web browsers find function on Chrissie's transcript site (http://www.chakoteya.net/), I can confirm that the term "Secondary Hull" is not spoken on-screen in any of the original, animated or first 6 TOS movies

Yeah, that's the same result I was coming up with. "Secondary hull" appears in dialogue once in TNG, but doesn't seem to have become a regular part of the jargon until Voyager, where it turns up quite a few times. I think that portion of the ship was mostly referred to as the "Engineering section" in TOS (also in several TNG eps.)

Speaking of Chrissie's/Chakoteya's site for a moment: has anyone had trouble accessing that site lately - say, over the last three months or so? Other than the odd temporary downtime, I've been using the site for years without issue, but since February or early March, my browser has crashed immediately every time I click on a link or bookmark to go there. Kinda frustrating, as it's been a very useful resource.