Actors/characters/plots/ships/etc. you want to see in Star Trek XII?

[CaptainDonovin]

Re: Zoe Zaldana on ST12

Please direct all Trek XII discussion to the Trek XI forum.

Since I don't see a thread (on the first two pages, anyway) about this topic, I'll move it over there for you.

I thought all Trek XII discussions were to be placed in Future of Trek. I saw this here http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=96879 from M'Sharak. Am I just cornfused?

 

[M'Sharak]

Re: Zoe Zaldana on ST12

Please direct all Trek XII discussion to the Trek XI forum.

Since I don't see a thread (on the first two pages, anyway) about this topic, I'll move it over there for you.

I thought all Trek XII discussions were to be placed in Future of Trek. I saw this here http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=96879 from M'Sharak. Am I just cornfused?

No, it's kind of a grey area, yet, and will probably continue to be a little confusing. Technically, discussion of the next movie ought to fall into Future of Trek, but because it's in the same J.J.-verse as this year's movie, some discussion addressing both the current and next movie will go on here. In fact, it's been suggested that all J.J.-verse discussion should be kept separate from the other movies, but that hasn't been decided yet, one way or the other. Announcements to follow as stuff develops, etc.

However, cardinal biggles moved this thread here from the Star Trek Movies forum, where (as Cheapjack really should have known) it definitely did not belong. I'll let it ride here for a bit and then most likely it will be merged with the catch-all "Actors/characters/plots/ships/etc. you want to see in Star Trek XII?" thread which we have in this forum.

 

[CaptainDonovin]

Re: Zoe Zaldana on ST12

Kind of a grey area, eh? I know that place real well!!

 

[RobertScorpio]

XI's past

Did events that happened in the past, before XI, still happen in this new time line. ENTERPRISE ect? Because it sure seems they do. However...i am not so sure JJ will consider that to be as true as SOME of us might think.

If they do a khan movie, and i think they will, I am willing to bet Khan did not go into space in the 1990s. Did Enterprise fix this issue, I am not sure. But since we, and I mean Earth, are decades away, at best, from sending 60 or more people, let alone tyrants that took over a third of the world, I think JJ, if he touches khan, will shy away from the established canon, either from TOS or whatever Enterprise/Voyager or any of the Berman shows may have said, as to when khan and friends left Earth.

And what about events that happened after the events of XI? Did Gary Seven go back into the past now? Did Kirk visit Earth? I think it is safe to say that despite what JJ is saying, Star trek XI set in motion events that not only changed the timeline from the events of the movie, and onward, but put in doubt whether any of it is canon now...

Oh..and i am all for that!!! Throwing away TREK's screwed up continuity was fine with me....and still is.

Rob

 

[Rackon]

Re: Zoe Zaldana on ST12

Quinto says in an interview from Comic-Con that the guys are working on stories now - but no script yet.

EDIT: Trek Today has story and quote from Orci that story ideas is as far as they've gotten.

I would imagine they'll play with various ideas 'til they all agree on a concept, then they'll do an outline - then the guys will hammer out a first draft relatively quickly if the ideas are sound. As TV writers, they are pros who can work under pressure and to time contsraints.

I seriously doubt this will lense in March 2010 though.

 

[CaptainDonovin]

Re: XI's past

I think all was well in the AR timeline until Nero showed up, after that everything went to hell. So it would seem to me that Khan & his pals left in the '90s, Picard still blew up a Borg Sphere in 2063, Enterprise did it's thing and everything past 2233.04 would be different from the Prime Universe.

 

[SalvorHardin]

Re: XI's past

Until further onscreen notice I consider pre Kelvin vs Narada events to be exactly the same as we have known them from the other Trek shows or movies.

As for the established canon from XI onward... I really don't care what they do with it.
We are in a new universe/reality/whatever anyway, so it's all fair game.

 

[SonicRanger]

Re: XI's past

The "past" could change too. If Kirk and company (or Picard or Sisko or Janeway) never travel into the past, or do so differently, then the "past" of Trek '09 could be changed too. That could be why stardates work differently, for example.

 

[RobertScorpio]

Re: XI's past

The "past" could change too. If Kirk and company (or Picard or Sisko or Janeway) never travel into the past, or do so differently, then the "past" of Trek '09 could be changed too. That could be why stardates work differently, for example.

Good point. Did Picard/and company come back into the past that produced XI's Kirk? Because its clear that the events from XI will have to evolve differently and go off in another direction with the destruction of Vulcan changing MANY things.

So..I think XIs timeline, before and after, has to be a totally different time line. I'm getting dizzy!!

Rob

 

[Chrisisall]

Re: XI's past

Until further onscreen notice I consider pre Kelvin vs Narada events to be exactly the same as we have known them from the other Trek shows or movies.

As for the established canon from XI onward... I really don't care what they do with it.
We are in a new universe/reality/whatever anyway, so it's all fair game.

I'm with Sal , bring it on!
Khan, V'ger, Jackson Roykirk's Nomad, Trelane, they're all out there, but it ain't gonna play out the same this time 'round.
Boldness ensues....................

 

[Chrisisall]

Re: XI's past

So..I think XIs timeline, before and after, has to be a totally different time line. I'm getting dizzy!!

That was their plan! MUHUHUHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

 

[JarodRussell]

Re: XI's past

That the Klingon in the very first episode of Enterprise was NEVER supposed to be on Earth, that was never resolved, was it?

So anything that references Enterprise is an alternate timeline anyways, because that's a timeline messed up by the temporal cold war.

And I prefer my Star Trek universe not to be messed up by a temporal cold war.

 

[SonicRanger]

Re: XI's past

The "past" could change too. If Kirk and company (or Picard or Sisko or Janeway) never travel into the past, or do so differently, then the "past" of Trek '09 could be changed too. That could be why stardates work differently, for example.

Good point. Did Picard/and company come back into the past that produced XI's Kirk? Because its clear that the events from XI will have to evolve differently and go off in another direction with the destruction of Vulcan changing MANY things.

Exactly. For example, if Picard and crew don't end up traveling back to San Francisco in 1893 and don't stop the Devidians from killing random 19th-century Californians, then "Trek" history as far back as 1893 will be different due to Nero's interference.

 

[SalvorHardin]

Re: XI's past

So..I think XIs timeline, before and after, has to be a totally different time line. I'm getting dizzy!!

Rob

I think we might be thinking things here the old way. The old linear time way.

Since we are dealing with the XI universe now, its "laws" dictate that after major time travel events new universes are born and branch in different directions. Right?

So, I suppose that even if there is a Picard in XI's future and comes back to make sure First Contact happens.... Then where did the Borg travel to ? A new universe undoubtedly right ? And Picard followed there.

So doesn't that mean that the XI universe's past remains still unaffected no matter what ? Because whatever Picard does is now in a parallel reality ?

Pretty confusing stuff, quantum physics is. I'm not even sure I'm making sense here and it's time to go to bed too lol

 

[diftorhehsmusma]

Re: XI's past

i think, unless further expounded upon by the writers, that this is anyone's guess. it's fair enough to look at it as unchanged before nero's little entrance, which i think is what they were going for - it is stated several times in the film that spock and nero going back in time "changed everything."
but if one wants to get more involved and try to figure out what other time-travel stories or history might have been effected by this, they can go about as far as they want with that. however, assuming that this is a different universe altogether, perhaps picard was never born. perhaps there is no such thing as the borg. perhaps mayonnaise tastes like pickles. perhaps lots of things.
for myself, i am content to think that everything went along its regularly scheduled path until nero and spock's intervention, cause i'm not a physicist and have never really been keen on time wars of any sort. (are you listening, 'Who' writers?) if the past depends on people from the future coming back to rescue it from itself, what kind of timeline is it, anyway? a circuitous and pre-determined one, it seems to me, which seems to take away a major element of the free will of the people who dwell therein. not very exciting or much of a place to 'boldly go'.

 

[diftorhehsmusma]

Re: Zoe Zaldana on ST12

Some stories almost write themselves (relatively speaking). If the pieces fall together, they can happen really fast. If the bits don't fit together neatly, you may spend a lot of time trying to make them do so.

apparently stallone knocked out the screenplay for 'rocky' in 3 days. admittedly he was working by himself and for all we know had been simmering the idea for years. but still.... six months?? i've written novels in less time than that. ones that required research. i only hope some of the preproduction can happen while the script is being written. otherwise it XII may not be out in theatres for quite a long time!

 

[Captain Brylcream]

Re: XI's past

Did events that happened in the past, before XI, still happen in this new time line. ENTERPRISE ect? Because it sure seems they do. However...i am not so sure JJ will consider that to be as true as SOME of us might think.

If they do a khan movie, and i think they will, I am willing to bet Khan did not go into space in the 1990s. Did Enterprise fix this issue, I am not sure. But since we, and I mean Earth, are decades away, at best, from sending 60 or more people, let alone tyrants that took over a third of the world, I think JJ, if he touches khan, will shy away from the established canon, either from TOS or whatever Enterprise/Voyager or any of the Berman shows may have said, as to when khan and friends left Earth.

And what about events that happened after the events of XI? Did Gary Seven go back into the past now? Did Kirk visit Earth? I think it is safe to say that despite what JJ is saying, Star trek XI set in motion events that not only changed the timeline from the events of the movie, and onward, but put in doubt whether any of it is canon now...

Oh..and i am all for that!!! Throwing away TREK's screwed up continuity was fine with me....and still is.

Rob

Well the throwaway line from scotty regarding "Admiral Archer's prize beagle" might hint I think that continuity up until the enterance of Nero is pretty much safe.......

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

Re: Actors/characters/plots/ships/etc. you want to see in Star Trek XI

....or is it?

 

[F. King Daniel]

Re: Actors/characters/plots/ships/etc. you want to see in Star Trek XI

What I want in Star Trek XII, more than you all could possibly imagine, is a return of Mr. Arex from TAS.
We have the technology to bring the orange, 3-armed, oblong-headed tripod to life like never before. This guy's been overdue a return for decades.

It must be done.

Please? (if any STXII people are reading?)

 

[RobertScorpio]

Re: XI's past

Did events that happened in the past, before XI, still happen in this new time line. ENTERPRISE ect? Because it sure seems they do. However...i am not so sure JJ will consider that to be as true as SOME of us might think.

If they do a khan movie, and i think they will, I am willing to bet Khan did not go into space in the 1990s. Did Enterprise fix this issue, I am not sure. But since we, and I mean Earth, are decades away, at best, from sending 60 or more people, let alone tyrants that took over a third of the world, I think JJ, if he touches khan, will shy away from the established canon, either from TOS or whatever Enterprise/Voyager or any of the Berman shows may have said, as to when khan and friends left Earth.

And what about events that happened after the events of XI? Did Gary Seven go back into the past now? Did Kirk visit Earth? I think it is safe to say that despite what JJ is saying, Star trek XI set in motion events that not only changed the timeline from the events of the movie, and onward, but put in doubt whether any of it is canon now...

Oh..and i am all for that!!! Throwing away TREK's screwed up continuity was fine with me....and still is.

Rob

Well the throwaway line from scotty regarding "Admiral Archer's prize beagle" might hint I think that continuity up until the enterance of Nero is pretty much safe.......

It cant be. There is little chance the events after XI will unfold like they did before. And since the events of Enteprise draw upon events from a Picardian future, even Enteprise as to be considered gone. I think the mention of Archer was just pure coincidence at best.

Rob