Yeah I don't get the whole "woke" thing. People have used that one on me too as some kind of insult and I just laugh it off. How is that an insult to be called "woke?"
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Actor Noel Clarke accused of harrassment
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It's fairly likely the accusations were printed to tie in with tx of his series Viewpoint.
ITV has arguably fallen between two stools, by pulling the final episode from tx, but still putting it out online.
He said that he wished he could redo the first few episodes, as he thought he got the tone wrong: too slapstick comic.
It's reported on BBC news that Bafta got calls or messages with these accusations before giving him the award but the sources seemed at the time to be hearsay or secondary so they went ahead.
Yeah, I think ITV were put in a no-win position and have probably taken the least bad position they could do (they'd have been criticised whatever they did) but BAFTA have come out of this really badly.
They have, but they were also damned either way. Acting on unproven allegations is also problematic.
Which is essentially what they've done anyway, but at least with the sheer number of accusations out now they should be on surer ground.
It would be wasteful to junk a season finale because one of its leads may be a fucking asshole.
I want to think most of the accusations aimed at Noel Clarke is some kind of elaborate #MeToo stitch up job (however Noel Clarke still must've had a pattern of asshollish/weak behaviour over the years that accumulated enough into today's condemnation by the media).
Chris Eccleston is a sensitive, honest soul, but a bit up himself, though it's a shame his career floundered somewhat.
With Noel Clarke, judge the friends that he keeps (Jason Maza is widely deemed a pretentious wannabe thug, try hard and petty bully, etc).
I want to think most of the accusations aimed at Noel Clarke is some kind of elaborate #MeToo stitch up job (however Noel Clarke still must've had a pattern of asshollish/weak behaviour over the years that accumulated enough into today's condemnation by the media).
Chris Eccleston is a sensitive, honest soul, but a bit up himself, though it's a shame his career floundered somewhat.
With Noel Clarke, judge the friends that he keeps (Jason Maza is widely deemed a pretentious wannabe thug, try hard and petty bully, etc).
I wouldn’t say his career has floundered. He’s rarely out of work and seems to have a fairly steady flow of work on both sides of the Atlantic. By the standards of U.K. jobbing actors, I’d say he does pretty well https://m.imdb.com/name/nm0001172/filmotype/actor?ref_=m_nmfm_1
He had an OK-ish career since, but not as spectacular as Karen Gillan, etc.
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Maybe he doesn't want a career like Karen GIllan, etc.
Well the Guardian let BAFTA know something was brewing before it came out, maybe they told ITV as well?
Is that the Sisterhood of Karn Gillan?
Unless he just picked the wrong Marvel move
Eccleston seems quite content with the career he has, I don't think he really liked the Hollywood experience. He never seems short of work even if it's mainly TV now, and you could say the same about Tennant and Smith, and nobody would call them failures. Same with Jenna Coleman who's doing some great stuff on TV. Really Karen is the outlier here, she's seized her opportunities and hopefully will continue to do so, but suggesting everyone else who hasn't hit it quite as big is some kind of failure is ridiculous.
I think with Eccleston it's always been roles he has wanted to do now more then roles he had to do.
It seems an odd standard to measure someone's career as a success or not by how many Hollywood blockbusters they do. Eccleston has a steady career doing work he cares about and work that pays him enough money to make a living, and as long as an actor is doing work they like and being financially secure, they can be considered a success. Really, anyone who has a job they like and pays well is pretty damn successful, as finding a job that ticks both boxes isn't the easiest thing in the world to do.
Yeah, I don’t think comparing the career of a middle-aged male actor like Eccleston, with his lived-in face, to a beautiful female actress like Karen Gillan, who is 20 years his junior, is going to be all that helpful or illuminating.
Yeah, that's a factor too, but even so Karen is more into myriad edgy female supporting roles in a slew of relatively recent mega budget movies through the 2010s.
Also, going off tangent, sorry to bring this up, but I've just learned that Trek BBS regular, Bob The Skutter, has died. When and how did he/she die? I don't post here often, but like to know, thanks.
Also, going off tangent, sorry to bring this up, but I've just learned that Trek BBS regular, Bob The Skutter, has died. When and how did he/she die? I don't post here often, but like to know, thanks.
He died in January 2019. There's a memorial thread here:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/bob-the-skutter-memorial-thread.297788/
Oddly today is the third anniversary of me seeing Eccleston talk in Manchester.
He was entirely honest that he regrets doing blockbusters and he thinks he's terrible in them because his hadn't gotten his mind into the right place.
"My agent kept pushing me to do those roles. He'd say "You'll get lots of money, and afterwards you can use your raised profile to get the roles you really want to do".
Then what happens is your agent gets most of the money, you don't get the roles you really want, but you are stuck with having been in G.I. Joe".
He said a large part of doing The Leftovers was wanting to show Americans he could actually act. And he had a great time on that show.
As for Clarke terrible stuff and show's no lessons have been learnt from Saville a decade later. In particular that people still don't feel able to report problems.
And though Barrowman isn't on the same scale (he's even arguably unlucky that video of Clarke praising his cock out antics went viral after a former co-star of Clarke's retweeted it as otherwise I don't think he'd have become as focused on), the boys will be boys lol it's all a joke don't be so serious culture that stops anyone not liking it feeling they can say so culture is the same that enables abusers like Clarke.
There was an old quote from Freema doing the rounds where she talks about how anyone new on Torchwood (including her) would be freaked out by the penis waggling whilst all the old hands were non plussed.
Raising the question of why it was thought the right thing to do was persuade anyone new to the set it was all OK and good fun rather than just ask Barrowman not to do it.
He was entirely honest that he regrets doing blockbusters and he thinks he's terrible in them because his hadn't gotten his mind into the right place.
"My agent kept pushing me to do those roles. He'd say "You'll get lots of money, and afterwards you can use your raised profile to get the roles you really want to do".
Then what happens is your agent gets most of the money, you don't get the roles you really want, but you are stuck with having been in G.I. Joe".
He said a large part of doing The Leftovers was wanting to show Americans he could actually act. And he had a great time on that show.
As for Clarke terrible stuff and show's no lessons have been learnt from Saville a decade later. In particular that people still don't feel able to report problems.
And though Barrowman isn't on the same scale (he's even arguably unlucky that video of Clarke praising his cock out antics went viral after a former co-star of Clarke's retweeted it as otherwise I don't think he'd have become as focused on), the boys will be boys lol it's all a joke don't be so serious culture that stops anyone not liking it feeling they can say so culture is the same that enables abusers like Clarke.
There was an old quote from Freema doing the rounds where she talks about how anyone new on Torchwood (including her) would be freaked out by the penis waggling whilst all the old hands were non plussed.
Raising the question of why it was thought the right thing to do was persuade anyone new to the set it was all OK and good fun rather than just ask Barrowman not to do it.
^ yeah, I mean in the early days it isn't even like Barrowman was that big a deal so you'd think someone would have told him not to do that! Whatever his motives, whether it's all just a jolly jape, and however much he says "It's ok, love. I'm gay so not like I'm going to do anything" it's just unacceptable in a workplace. Some female staff member who might have been sexually assaulted in the past isn't really going to care that the dick resting on her shoulder or waggling in her face belongs to a gay man.
We shouldn't get side-tracked from Clarke here who's the real monster, Barrowman is, pardon the pun, a dick, but I do wonder how many people, men and women, have felt uncomfortable in his presence. How many have quit their jobs, or at the very least not enjoyed their jobs. For some people it must have been incredibly anxiety inducing, imagine spending all your working day worried that at any moment Barrowman might drop his keks!
We shouldn't get side-tracked from Clarke here who's the real monster, Barrowman is, pardon the pun, a dick, but I do wonder how many people, men and women, have felt uncomfortable in his presence. How many have quit their jobs, or at the very least not enjoyed their jobs. For some people it must have been incredibly anxiety inducing, imagine spending all your working day worried that at any moment Barrowman might drop his keks!
It's a new world now, most people have always been tired of bad sexual behaviour, and in this now much more interconnected society it's being weeded out and put under much higher public scrutiny. Trouble is there's this hysterical lynch mob mentality accompinying it (which I sense with Noel Clarke's disgrace).
Noel Clarke sounds more of an asshole than Barrowman (with the former being borderline predatory, the latter being very immature), but while he's not quite down there with the once in a century sex monster, Sir James Wilson Vincent Savile (OBE, KCSG), I think he got sucked into his inner city London "tough guy gangsta" persona and it leaked too much into his sex life, while taking on the responsibility of being a producer and family man (so treating women more like objects, acting out weird fetishes, and attracting women who are already pretty damaged, etc, though it's still mostly Noel Clarke's fault).
Noel Clarke sounds more of an asshole than Barrowman (with the former being borderline predatory, the latter being very immature), but while he's not quite down there with the once in a century sex monster, Sir James Wilson Vincent Savile (OBE, KCSG), I think he got sucked into his inner city London "tough guy gangsta" persona and it leaked too much into his sex life, while taking on the responsibility of being a producer and family man (so treating women more like objects, acting out weird fetishes, and attracting women who are already pretty damaged, etc, though it's still mostly Noel Clarke's fault).
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And I'm pretty sure that's what Clarke's mates are tryimg tp avoid, by guiding the attention to Barrowman at the BBC's Saville history....