A Star Trek Multiverse, Phase II

[Ralphis]

EDIT: JULY 13, 2016
All I was suggesting was a third timeline, separate from the Original Timeline and the Kelvin Timeline, set in the 2270s, with the TOS characters.

They'd use TOS as kind of a vague reference as to where this version of the crew has been, but wouldn't be bound to anything established in TOS, nor the movies, TNG, ect.

But please note that I no longer support this idea. It was just something I threw out there because I was bored at work one day.
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"For any event there is an infinite number of outcomes. Our choices determine which outcomes will follow. But there is a theory in quantum physics that all possibilities that can happen do happen in alternate quantum realities."
~Data

I have always wanted to see that hypothetical "Phase II" series with the original crew. I think it would be a great period in which to tell new stories with the original characters as they're still young, but at the same time have the experience of the first 5-year mission under their belt.

But I also understand the 'real world' struggles of attempting an Interquel such as what I'm suggesting. Is Kirk a Captain or Admiral? What uniforms do they wear? Do you have a retro bridge? Will fans accept different actors in the Prime Universe versions of these iconic characters? Not to mention you'd have to have a writing team pretty knowledgeable about the vast history of Trek.

I think you can do this 'Phase II' series in an alternate timeline. Not the Mirror Universe, not the Nu Trek universe, but a separate one altogether. One of my favorite episodes of all Trek is the TNG episode "Parallels". I assume we've all seen it, but if you haven't, it establishes that there are literally an infinite number of alternate realities that exist in the Star Trek universe.

Have these characters be experienced. Use the Original Series as kind of a vague history to draw on - I think it's very reasonable to assume that this crew had a "Balance of Terror" or an "The City on the Edge of Forever". But with it being an alternate universe, you can allow these iconic characters to trek on with a clean slate.

I think audiences can handle two different versions of these characters, as the movies will be in a different universe. It would give us all an opportunity to see these iconic characters in new stories, but without the lens flares and explosions and the Beastie Boys playing in the background. (I enjoy the Nu Trek films, but it is what it is.)

I will now sit back and let you all pick apart this idea as I'm sure it's ridiculous. I just had to get it out there so I can move on with my life.

 

[Dukhat]

I'm not sure what you're asking here. Are you saying you'd like a Star Trek Phase II show running alongside whatever the new show CBS is producing next year? Or just that you want the new show to be Phase II?

I don't really see CBS's new show having the same characters as the nuMovies. They'd have to recast Kirk, Spock , and the rest yet again, and then they'd need to make clear that this Kirk isn't the same as Chris Pine's Kirk, etc. Way too much of a hassle.

I see the new show taking place in the nuUniverse, but with a different crew on a different ship.

 

[Ralphis]

I'm not sure what you're asking here. Are you saying you'd like a Star Trek Phase II show running alongside whatever the new show CBS is producing next year? Or just that you want the new show to be Phase II?

I don't really see CBS's new show having the same characters as the nuMovies. They'd have to recast Kirk, Spock , and the rest yet again, and then they'd need to make clear that this Kirk isn't the same as Chris Pine's Kirk, etc. Way too much of a hassle.

I see the new show taking place in the nuUniverse, but with a different crew on a different ship.

I was suggesting that the upcoming CBS All Access show be the second 5-year mission, but set in an another alternate universe apart from the prime universe and the NuTrek universe. But I know It's a dumb idea. I just wanted to get it out there so I can move on my life.

 

[Dukhat]

It wasn't a dumb idea; it's just not a feasible idea. There's just no point in making a "second five year mission" using the nuUniverse TOS crew, when that crew hasn't even done their first five year mission.

 

[Ralphis]

It wasn't a dumb idea; it's just not a feasible idea. There's just no point in making a "second five year mission" using the nuUniverse TOS crew, when that crew hasn't even done their first five year mission.

No, not the JJ Abrams-verse. Another alternate set apart from the JJ-verse and the prime universe. But with today's news, I'll probably support whatever Bryan Fuller is planning.

 

[rahullak]

Maybe the only use of having it be an alternate universe version of nuTrek, is cross-pollination of some ideas and occasional Easter egg references. I mean you could have the new series with the same character-names, but really we would want everything else to be as different from nuTrek as possible. Which means the new series is only slightly vary from having completely new characters and settings, with the slight reward I mentioned earlier. Hope I'm making sense.

 

[Ralphis]

Maybe the only use of having it be an alternate universe version of nuTrek, is cross-pollination of some ideas and occasional Easter egg references. I mean you could have the new series with the same character-names, but really we would want everything else to be as different from nuTrek as possible. Which means the new series is only slightly vary from having completely new characters and settings, with the slight reward I mentioned earlier. Hope I'm making sense.

Yep, it makes sense. Yes, it needs to be as different as nuTrek as possible.

 

[Ralphis]

I really did a bad job of explaining my idea here. I apologize. I'll give it a second chance.

The second five-year mission of Kirk and crew. But not in the original timeline. Not even in the NuTrek timeline. A 'third' timeline.

You could cherry-pick elements from TOS and the nuTrek movies to use as a vague history for this crew's first five-year mission (preferably mostly from TOS), and go from there.

Remember, the TNG episode 'Parallels' established that there are an infinite number of timelines in existence.

BUT... I fully support what Bryan Fuller is working up. Especially now with Nicholas Meyer on board.

 

[David.Blue]

A perfectly viable notion, IMHO. One might also see a genuine change in personnel for such a second five year mission, to give a certain 'freshness' away from TOS or NuTrek. For example, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Kirk and Spock both promoted off the Enterprise, the latter to a command of his own and the former to some other brand-spanking new vessel with the rank of Commodore. Possibly a new Captain no one really knows, with Sulu as First Officer and a new Science Officer as well.

This might give us the opportunity to also render a major re-thinking of some other aspect of the Trek universe, such as a very different culture dominating the Romulans, folks easier to work with in many ways. Likewise we could see First Contact with the Trill, with Betazed, the Cardassians or Bajor.

 

[somebuddyX]

I think you could do something yourself as a fan idea but it would never be made as a real production. Which is totally fine. I love the idea of a TOS sequel that only used TOS itself as jumping off point and completely disregarded any production post-TOS, not out of any dislike of those, but just because it's a cool idea.

 

[Jedi Marso]

What you're describing in the OP is basically Star Trek Continues and ST Phase II. Too bad it's all gotten the kybosh by the suits at CBS, but it is what it is. Although certain elements were cheesy (actually, much like TOS), those folks were doing some solid work, especially given that they were fan projects.

 

[angry apple panda]

So, question--

Wasn't it conjectured (and I'm basing this on the Star Trek Chronology) that immediately after the events of TMP, that there was a second five year mission? Why would this have to happen outside of Prime Timeline continuity? What else happened between TMP and TWOK that would make a Phase II like series have to have happened in an alternate timeline? I mean. sure, Decker and Ilia are gone, and the aesthetics are a bit different, but a lot of the original Phase II scripts would fit just fine with minor tweaks.

 

[ChristopherPike]

JJ Abrams lovingly recreates a spaceship inside and out that was designed in the mid-70s for The Force Awakens. Do that with the Motion Picture refit of the Enterprise and it'd obviously be dismissed as the work of a fan-filmmaker wouldn't it?

 

[AviTrek]

JJ Abrams lovingly recreates a spaceship inside and out that was designed in the mid-70s for The Force Awakens. Do that with the Motion Picture refit of the Enterprise and it'd obviously be dismissed as the work of a fan-filmmaker wouldn't it?

I think a fan-filmmaker would be a perfect description of Abrams and his Star Wars work.

 

[Ralphis]

All I was suggesting was a third timeline, separate from the Original Timeline and the Kelvin Timeline, set in the 2270s, with the TOS characters.

They'd use TOS as kind of a vague reference as to where this version of the crew has been, but wouldn't be bound to anything established in TOS, nor the movies, TNG, ect.

But please note that I no longer support this idea. It was just something I threw out there because I was bored at work one day.

 

[Ralphis]

A good example of what I was talking about would be those Star Trek: Myriad Universes novels. I used the TNG episode Parallels to illustrate that a multiverse already exists in Trek canon, beyond the Mirror Universe and the Kelvin Timeline.