A Scientific Parallel To Religious Questions

[sojourner]

How many creators can dance on the head of a pin?

 

[Dryson]

1."Why was the Creator created?"
2."How was the Creator created?"
3."Where was the Creator created?"
4."When was the Creator created?"
5."With what was the Creator created with or from?"
6."Who created the Creator?"

All these questions assume that a Creator never existed before anything else was created.

Except for #6 "Who created the Creator?" This leads into a Universal Paradox of Infinity.

Lets take 3."Where was the Creator created?" for example. Using technology and science NASA has created the Curiosity mission to Mars to search for the possibility of microbial life forms. If NASA does indeed find signs of microbial life form on Mars even in fossilized form it can be considered a "footprint" of the creator or the process of creation. This single footprint can then be traced throughout the Universe with various technology such as the Voyager mission and more modern technology to locate same or similar footprints in space that lead us to other locations where the footprint of the Creator or creation has been.

Name some of the many programs that would be able to locate to the footprint of the creator or the creation process and give a minor explanation of the mission.

 

[Gov Kodos]

No. The existence of life, current or past, on another world tells us nothing about any creator, god, or other form of Intelligent Design.

 

[sojourner]

Lets take 3."Where was the Creator created?" for example. Using technology and science NASA has created the Curiosity mission to Mars to search for the possibility of microbial life forms. If NASA does indeed find signs of microbial life form on Mars even in fossilized form it can be considered a "footprint" of the creator or the process of creation. This single footprint can then be traced throughout the Universe with various technology such as the Voyager mission and more modern technology to locate same or similar footprints in space that lead us to other locations where the footprint of the Creator or creation has been.

Nope.

 

[HIjol]

Lets take 3."Where was the Creator created?" for example. Using technology and science NASA has created the Curiosity mission to Mars to search for the possibility of microbial life forms. If NASA does indeed find signs of microbial life form on Mars even in fossilized form it can be considered a "footprint" of the creator or the process of creation. This single footprint can then be traced throughout the Universe with various technology such as the Voyager mission and more modern technology to locate same or similar footprints in space that lead us to other locations where the footprint of the Creator or creation has been.

Nope.

And, again, "no", my Religio-Scientifically Conflicted Fellow Poster!

You are confusing a confluence of Natural, scientifically explainable, testable, observable events (the presence of microbes, water, bacteria, what's have you, on another planet) with some sort of Divine footprint. Remember, WE and Brother Neil put the footprint on the Moon.

 

[HIjol]

I can see some merit in this one as an exercise in applying science to an unscientific concept and determining where it works and does not work. It does require assuming quite a few things, starting with the existence of a Creator. And it doesn't work if you expect to get real answers out of it, because you won't.

As with most of these threads, it's a little hard to judge the OP's intent.

Agreed, and it does lead the mind down some, IMHO, interesting directions.

Dryson's questions aren't even vaguely scientific. They are the kind of questions asked around a bonfire or corner booth at the cafe'.

Also agreed, but sometimes, flights more
fanciful can be a kick!

Speculating about how a "Creator" we have no proof ever existed came into being is a bit bizarre. But I'm not going to close this yet.

GS, I think you are getting a version of what your other thoughtful and well-timed post about the quality of discussions asked for. The Topic of this thread may not be the most suitable, but we are discussing! Do monitor, but, with all respect and deference to your position as moderator, see where this goes.

 

[sojourner]

It's not going anywhere. It belongs in the philosophy subforum, not sci/tech.

 

[Jedi_Master]

1."Why was the Creator created?"
2."How was the Creator created?"
3."Where was the Creator created?"
4."When was the Creator created?"
5."With what was the Creator created with or from?"
6."Who created the Creator?"

All these questions assume that a Creator never existed before anything else was created.

Except for #6 "Who created the Creator?" This leads into a Universal Paradox of Infinity.

Lets take 3."Where was the Creator created?" for example. Using technology and science NASA has created the Curiosity mission to Mars to search for the possibility of microbial life forms. If NASA does indeed find signs of microbial life form on Mars even in fossilized form it can be considered a "footprint" of the creator or the process of creation. This single footprint can then be traced throughout the Universe with various technology such as the Voyager mission and more modern technology to locate same or similar footprints in space that lead us to other locations where the footprint of the Creator or creation has been.

Name some of the many programs that would be able to locate to the footprint of the creator or the creation process and give a minor explanation of the mission.

This post directly contradicts the stated purpose of the thread. You are acting as if Science starts with a preconceived notion and then searches for proof of that notion. Then you switch gears saying that the Creator exists and the universe provides clues we can follow, which also contradicts your OP. To me it seems as if you are deliberately inciting argument.

 

[HIjol]

Taking one or all of the following six religious questions what scientific parallels can you draw from them. What scientific processes would help you to fulfill each or all of the questions below?

1."Why was the Creator created?"
2."How was the Creator created?"
3."Where was the Creator created?"
4."When was the Creator created?"
5."With what was the Creator created with or from?"
6."Who created the Creator?"

I have used the word Creator so as to not define the Creator as being either female or male, that is up to you decide and use as part of your conclusion.

Dryson, I have an honest question for you here. Why did you not include the most obvious:

1. Was a creator created?

I say this because you are trying to frame this in a scientific context, which means you would have to answer this question first. I am curious as to why you chose to leave this out, or if it was just an oversight.



HIjol, props to you for this response:

4."When was the Creator created?"

This is a question beneath what I am assuming is your intellect, Dryson. The Creator was created the instant after there was no Creator. And that is something you may wish to spend some time pondering...deeply.

Thank you, Buddha, and back atcha for your question to him. Just wish there was a coherent answer.
But I do not think there will be.

 

[Amaris]

Taking one or all of the following six religious questions what scientific parallels can you draw from them. What scientific processes would help you to fulfill each or all of the questions below?

1."Why was the Creator created?"

Because I wanted a middle manager for my creation.

2."How was the Creator created?"

Sex.

3."Where was the Creator created?"

Wilmette, Illinois

4."When was the Creator created?"

September 21st, 1950.

5."With what was the Creator created with or from?"

Dark matter.

6."Who created the Creator?"

I did.

I have used the word Creator so as to not define the Creator as being either female or male, that is up to you decide and use as part of your conclusion.

The creator is an aging male.

You're welcome.

 

[HIjol]

All these questions assume that a Creator never existed before anything else was created.

Except for #6 "Who created the Creator?" This leads into a Universal Paradox of Infinity.

Lets take 3."Where was the Creator created?" for example. Using technology and science NASA has created the Curiosity mission to Mars to search for the possibility of microbial life forms. If NASA does indeed find signs of microbial life form on Mars even in fossilized form it can be considered a "footprint" of the creator or the process of creation. This single footprint can then be traced throughout the Universe with various technology such as the Voyager mission and more modern technology to locate same or similar footprints in space that lead us to other locations where the footprint of the Creator or creation has been.

Name some of the many programs that would be able to locate to the footprint of the creator or the creation process and give a minor explanation of the mission.

This post directly contradicts the stated purpose of the thread. You are acting as if Science starts with a preconceived notion and then searches for proof of that notion. Then you switch gears saying that the Creator exists and the universe provides clues we can follow, which also contradicts your OP. To me it seems as if you are deliberately inciting argument.

It's not going anywhere. It belongs in the philosophy subforum, not sci/tech.

You Gentlemen are all absolutely correct, but I was hoping against hope we could get Dryson to make some sense out of what he is trying to say. God (!) knows I have contributed my share of incoherency to this Forum and the Cosmos, but I was hoping to get more out of him and out of this "discussion"

 

[SPCTRE]

I have used the word Creator so as to not define the Creator as being either female or male, that is up to you decide and use as part of your conclusion.

The creator is an aging male.

You're welcome.

So all of existence might the product of some sort of metaphysical midlife-crisis?

"Look at me, Margret. What have I done, lately? What have I really done?"

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Not only that we have no evidence of a creator, we have no evidence of a single creator. It's also possible to imagine several creators independently creating literally the same universe.

 

[HIjol]

I have used the word Creator so as to not define the Creator as being either female or male, that is up to you decide and use as part of your conclusion.

The creator is an aging male.

You're welcome.

So all of existence might the product of some sort of metaphysical midlife-crisis?

"Look at me, Margret. What have I done, lately? What have I really done?"

Not only that we have no evidence of a creator, we have no evidence of a single creator. It's also possible to imagine several creators independently creating literally the same universe.

Now this is a bit of a mind-bender. You mean, creators unaware of each other? Aware, but unaware of their efforts? or, like a Cosmic Game from Milton Bradley, "Universe Creator" where they all are playing and the Universe comes about by the outcome of the game? Seriously, I am enjoying this concept!



Wow, I picked the wrong time to travel to and live in a country devoid of certain herbs, superb.

 

[T'Girl]

4."When was the Creator created?".

Similar perhaps to the question "when was the matter and energy that composed the big bang created?"

I believe (to use a phrase) that the current theory is that it alway existed. And so would the creator.

 

[Melakon]

Wilmette, Illinois

I've been there. There's an old Dog 'n Suds building with a sign bolted to it commemorating the event.

Except for #6 "Who created the Creator?" This leads into a Universal Paradox of Infinity.

No, it doesn't. By introducing the concept of someone or something else creating the Creator, you've negated your previous questions referring to the Creator. That new individual is the Creator. If this is intended to be an "intelligent design" exercise, then just go to the source text of Genesis 1:1 and read only as far as "In the beginning, God..." This establishes that the "Creator" existed before all other things, therefore no separate individual "created" the Creator.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Not only that we have no evidence of a creator, we have no evidence of a single creator. It's also possible to imagine several creators independently creating literally the same universe.

My preferred possibility is that only I exist, and the entire universe is an invention of my imagination I devised to entertain me. Of course, this means that I am actually a god (and possibly the only one.)

 

[JES]

1."Why was the Creator created?"
2."How was the Creator created?"
3."Where was the Creator created?"
4."When was the Creator created?"
5."With what was the Creator created with or from?"
6."Who created the Creator?"

All these questions assume that a Creator never existed before anything else was created.

Except for #6 "Who created the Creator?" This leads into a Universal Paradox of Infinity.

Lets take 3."Where was the Creator created?" for example. Using technology and science NASA has created the Curiosity mission to Mars to search for the possibility of microbial life forms. If NASA does indeed find signs of microbial life form on Mars even in fossilized form it can be considered a "footprint" of the creator or the process of creation. This single footprint can then be traced throughout the Universe with various technology such as the Voyager mission and more modern technology to locate same or similar footprints in space that lead us to other locations where the footprint of the Creator or creation has been.

Name some of the many programs that would be able to locate to the footprint of the creator or the creation process and give a minor explanation of the mission.

So let me get this straight: you think that if we even find traces of extraterrestrial life, it will give us clues to help find God?

You don't think it is going to be THAT easy, do you?!

Geez, no wonder you are ridiculed so much!

 

[Kemaiku]

Not only that we have no evidence of a creator, we have no evidence of a single creator. It's also possible to imagine several creators independently creating literally the same universe.

My preferred possibility is that only I exist, and the entire universe is an invention of my imagination I devised to entertain me. Of course, this means that I am actually a god (and possibly the only one.)

Then why on Earth would you create me?

 

[Jedi_Master]

Not only that we have no evidence of a creator, we have no evidence of a single creator. It's also possible to imagine several creators independently creating literally the same universe.

My preferred possibility is that only I exist, and the entire universe is an invention of my imagination I devised to entertain me. Of course, this means that I am actually a god (and possibly the only one.)

Your imagination sucks. Get some better material.