A Next Gen Reboot?

[JesterFace]

I suppose but I'm still baffled by the idea of harm.

I don't want to derail the thread but I guess I have to write something....
I'm one of those viewers I described earlier, once you've seen it you can't unsee it.
For example if I had watched PIC and seen deaths of many characters from TNG episodes, they just might pop into my head while watching an older episode I have loved for many years. I don't want to experience that.
Another example: Elizabeth Shelby barely escaped the Borg attack with our crew. There's no need to see her killed in PIC. Basically that's just shock value. We are (most likely) all going to die eventually but I would like to keep her alive in my head. We didn't see her birth, why watch her get killed for no reason. That is the harm, watching an episode written decades later by someone else who had nothing to do with certain character or the original story and people just start dropping. No thanks.

 

[fireproof78]

That is the harm, watching an episode written decades later by someone else who had nothing to do with certain character or the original story and people just start dropping. No thanks.

Agreed but shows are separate to me. TOS stands apart from TMP or TWOK to me. They are always separate to me.

Mileage will vary.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I'm one of those viewers I described earlier, once you've seen it you can't unsee it.

Yeah, this is the same situation I'm in. Later episodes affect earlier episodes for me. What a character does in a spin-off series or movie will affect how I think about them in their original show. You can't add to Star Trek without changing it, for better or worse.

 

[JesterFace]

Agreed but shows are separate to me. TOS stands apart from TMP or TWOK to me. They are always separate to me.

Mileage will vary.

Mileage varies and talk about kilometres, uh oh....

I said in another thread that since a whole lot of nasty things happen in STNG (Picard assimilated or spends a lifetime on another planet) and there doesn't seem to be any repercussions it may be necessary to view all episodes an single individuals, one adventure and that's it.

 

[fireproof78]

Mileage varies and talk about kilometres, uh oh....

I said in another thread that since a whole lot of nasty things happen in STNG (Picard assimilated or spends a lifetime on another planet) and there doesn't seem to be any repercussions it may be necessary to view all episodes an single individuals, one adventure and that's it.

I just take the dragnet approach: stories are true but some things have been changed. It's ok for it not to perfectly line up.

 

[Lynx]

I don't want to derail the thread but I guess I have to write something....
I'm one of those viewers I described earlier, once you've seen it you can't unsee it.
For example if I had watched PIC and seen deaths of many characters from TNG episodes, they just might pop into my head while watching an older episode I have loved for many years. I don't want to experience that.
Another example: Elizabeth Shelby barely escaped the Borg attack with our crew. There's no need to see her killed in PIC. Basically that's just shock value. We are (most likely) all going to die eventually but I would like to keep her alive in my head. We didn't see her birth, why watch her get killed for no reason. That is the harm, watching an episode written decades later by someone else who had nothing to do with certain character or the original story and people just start dropping. No thanks.

Did they actually kill of Shelby in that patethic excuse for a Star Trek series which was named after one of its best captains?

In that case, I'm happy that I quit watching it at an early stage.

So in that case, I will add Shelby to the list of great characters whose destruction in certain episodes and books I simply refuse to accept and who will show up as alive and well in my stories.

A list which includes the following characters:

Kes
Garak
Gowron
Carey
And now also Shelby.

 

[Dukhat]

I'm not sure what your fanfic has to do with the discussion.

 

[BohandiAnsoid]

It has that Lynx won't be considering the pieces of canon that destroyed these characters canon for his fanfiction.

As for characters that were destroyed, I would add Jadzia Dax. First, they turned her into a Klingon fangirl, completely disregarding further opportunities to explore Trill culture, they never showed us who "Jadzia the host" was and then killed her off when it would be sufficient to have her transferred off the station. And not only this death was senseless, she couldn't even fight! And she was killed by some Force - like powers when she was a science officer, to add to the insult.

At least Ezri was no longer so fascinated with Klingons and was actually better than later Jadzia because of that.

 

[Dukhat]

It has that Lynx won't be considering the pieces of canon that destroyed these characters canon for his fanfiction.

Yeah, I know what he said. I questioned why that has anything to do with this discussion.

 

[BohandiAnsoid]

Yeah, I know what he said. I questioned why that has anything to do with this discussion.

I don't think it has anything except Lynx commenting what will he do with it. Nothing strictly on discussion but something that went from it.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

It's funny, over a decade ago when the TNG cast was asked how likely is it they might return, they all seemed to agree that they'd likely be recast with younger actors like the Kelvin films. And then PICARD happened a decade later.

I'm surprised no one at Paramount has seemingly considered doing a Kelvin TNG film. That seemed like the next obvious step to take after you wrap up with Kelvin TOS (or abandon it after BEYOND underperformed). I have to assume there's some hesitancy among executives on moving forward with such a project when Patrick Stewart is still around wanting to do more with Picard.

If you wanna do stunt casting, get James McAvoy or Tom Hardy for Picard.

If I were to cast Riker today, I'd probably try to get Glen Powell as Riker. The guy has the right amount of swagger for that part.

 

[Lynx]

It has that Lynx won't be considering the pieces of canon that destroyed these characters canon for his fanfiction.

As for characters that were destroyed, I would add Jadzia Dax. First, they turned her into a Klingon fangirl, completely disregarding further opportunities to explore Trill culture, they never showed us who "Jadzia the host" was and then killed her off when it would be sufficient to have her transferred off the station. And not only this death was senseless, she couldn't even fight! And she was killed by some Force - like powers when she was a science officer, to add to the insult.

At least Ezri was no longer so fascinated with Klingons and was actually better than later Jadzia because of that.

I didn't like that they killed off Jadzia.

I wish that she had been transferred to the Enterprise instead and could have showed up in some later episode.

As for Ezri, she could have been Jadzia's sister instead.

However, Jadzia's death is difficult to write over in the same way as I have done with some other characters. It affected many events later on in the series.

As for a TNG reboot with other actors, I will simply not watch it, even if they paid me to do it.
And I totally dismiss the "Kelvin Universe".

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

Before it happened, I didn't think I would be able to accept the original cast being replaced by younger actors. The image of Shatner, for example, in that role was too iconic, too owned by him, too William-Shatner-Is-Kirk!!

Shows what I know. These days I'm as at ease with Chris Pine playing Kirk as I am with Paul Wesley.

With that in mind, and what feels equally unthinkable, could we see future shows in different time periods of Trek featuring Ensign Picard? Cadet Riker? Nurse Crusher?

Thoughts?

Most of the TNG cast were pretty young when TNG began and their backstories mostly explored.

Is there any reason to see Ensign Yar, Worf, LaForge?
Is there any reason to see Pulaski pre-TNG?

There's really only 3 TNG prequels I can see working.
#1 Picard on the Stargazer or between the Stargazer and Enterprise-D. This can include Beverly and little Wesley as Picard had a pre-established relationship with them.
#2 We can explore Riker and Troi when they were a couple on Betazed the first time around. Maybe they had some local space adventures?
#3 We could explore Data anywhere between being found by Starfleet up to being assigned the Ent-D.

 

[Frontis]

I once got an admonition here about suggesting to rewrite Star Trek movies/series

 

[fireproof78]

I once got an admonition here about suggesting to rewrite Star Trek movies/series

Yeah, same. Apparently rewriting Trek is nearly an anathema despite being common in fiction circles.


It does no harm to the original so I never saw the issue.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Yeah, same. Apparently rewriting Trek is nearly an anathema despite being common in fiction circles.

Or maybe because it's common. Everyone's seen what happens with reboots and remakes.

 

[fireproof78]

Or maybe because it's common. Everyone's seen what happens with reboots and remakes.

Some are enjoyable and some are not.


C'est le vie. Nothing lost.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

C'est le vie. Nothing lost.

Obviously I disagree, but I'll leave it at that.