A Next Gen Reboot?

[Lynx]

Reboot can be a good thing if there's a good idea but it's executed poorly.

In the case of STNG the series is good so there's no need for a reboot.

In the case of TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY there are no needs for any reboots since the reboot will never be as good as the original.

I would rather see a series or movie set in that time period with new characters.

But considering the standard of the writers and actors in the 2020's, maybe that isn't such a good idea after all.

I just wish that there would be some new good books about the characters from TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY but even the authors of the Star Trek book seems to have been hit by the "doom-and-gloom" disease.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Ah, the patented Lynx argument. All things made in the past are good. All things made in the present or future are or will be bad.

Asinine nonsense.

 

[Takeru]

But considering the standard of the writers and actors in the 2020's, maybe that isn't such a good idea after all.

That's a ridiculous statement, neither actors nor writers are better or worse than they were before.

Anyway, I would be interested in a TNG reboot. I love the show, I have rewatched many episodes countless times but it is not perfect and it would be interesting to see the characters through a modern lens, would Riker still be flirting with every woman who crosses his path? Would he still act like a complete ass when he dislikes someone without that being called out as shitty behavior? Would being read by telepaths be seen as an invasion of privacy and Lwaxana blurting out someone's thoughts be shown problematic instead of a joke? Would the federation still be space America or would be a truly diverse society?

 

[Lynx]

Ah, the patented Lynx argument. All things made in the past are good. All things made in the present or future are or will be bad.

Asinine nonsense.

I find your comment silly and exaggerated.

I have never stated that all things in the past are good.

And I have never stated that everything in the future will be bad.

If you are going to discuss this, then stay with the facts instead of exaggerated fantasies.

However, it's my opinion that a lot of what's done now is crap compatred to what we used to have some years ago.

We don't have series like TNG, DS9, VOY, NCIS, CSi, CSI New York or CSI Miami anymore. Nothing even close to it.

We don't have comical series or programs today because no one dare to make one. People can be offended!

That's a ridiculous statement, neither actors nor writers are better or worse than they were before.

Anyway, I would be interested in a TNG reboot. I love the show, I have rewatched many episodes countless times but it is not perfect and it would be interesting to see the characters through a modern lens, would Riker still be flirting with every woman who crosses his path? Would he still act like a complete ass when he dislikes someone without that being called out as shitty behavior? Would being read by telepaths be seen as an invasion of privacy and Lwaxana blurting out someone's thoughts be shown problematic instead of a joke? Would the federation still be space America or would be a truly diverse society?

I also love TNG but I would never watch a reboot made in this gloomy era, not even under gunpoint.

The suggestions for a TNG reboot which you come up with would turn it into the same gloomy mess as most series and movies are today. Plain boring compared to original TNG.

And you can't find any actor in this era who could play the characters as good as Stewart, Frakes and the others did.

It would be the same crap as current reboots of series like Magnum and Walker Texas Ranger, probably even worse since original TNG was of higher standard than Magnum and Walker Texas Ranger were as originals

 

[Richard S. Ta]

That's a ridiculous statement, neither actors nor writers are better or worse than they were before.

It’s not the first time the poster has made such a statement.

Apparently all modern television and movies are garbage. All of them. And everything from the past is better. Everything.

 

[Lynx]

It’s not the first time the poster has made such a statement.

Apparently all modern television and movies are garbage. All of them. And everything from the past is better. Everything.

If you can't discuss the subject as such and instead has to come up with childish accusations and exaggerations, then I would like to suggest that you simply quit coming up with comments about this.

As I wrote in my previous post:
I find your comment silly and exaggerated.

I have never stated that all things in the past are good.

And I have never stated that everything in the future will be bad.

If you are going to discuss this, then stay with the facts instead of exaggerated fantasies.

However, it's my opinion that a lot of what's done now is crap compatred to what we used to have some years ago.

We don't have series like TNG, DS9, VOY, NCIS, CSI, CSI New York or CSI Miami anymore. Nothing even close to it.

We don't have comical series or programs today because no one dare to make one. People can be offended!

So stay to the facts instead of personal insults and downright lies.

I must also state that I have a very low opinion of people who reply with silly emojis and obviously aren't capable of debating in a civilized way.

But I'll give you a chance here to show your knowledge about today's series and movies:

Can you, in your incredible wisdom mention some series and movies made after 2010 which are up to the same standard or even better than TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, NCIS, CSI, CSI NY, CSI Miami, Cold Case, Without A Trace, Married With Children, Friends, Xena, Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis or similar series.


Because I can't!

 

[HotRod]

We don't have series like TNG, DS9, VOY, NCIS, CSi, CSI New York or CSI Miami anymore. Nothing even close to it.

Holding up Voyager as some kinda pinicle of Star Trek is laughable. Nevermind that you're including the mindless schlock that was the various CSI shows as some kinda benchmark for quality TV? Seriously?

We don't have comical series or programs today because no one dare to make one. People can be offended!

That's funny, I have no problem finding quality comical series to watch. Always Sunny in Philadelphia certainly has no problem tickling my funny bone.

And you can't find any actor in this era who could play the characters as good as Stewart, Frakes and the others did.

Oh please. There's plenty of amazing actors working today who could play those parts just as good, if not not better.

 

[HotRod]

Can you, in your incredible wisdom mention some series and movies made after 2010 which are up to the same standard or even better than TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, NCIS, CSI, CSI NY, CSI Miami, Cold Case, Without A Trace, Married With Children, Friends, Xena, Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis or similar series.

To name a few off the top of my head..... Strange New Worlds, Stranger Things, Brooklyn Nine-Nine, Sherlock, Boardwalk Empire, The Handmaid's Tale, Justified, Fargo, What We Do In The Shadows, The Good Place, Abbott Elementary, Veep, Schitt's Creek, Game of Thrones, Homeland, Succession, Better Call Saul, The Expanse, Atlanta, The Witcher, Andor, The Mandolorian.

Nevermind the shows that started before your 2010 starting point like It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Parks and Rec, Community, Mad Men, Breaking Bad, etc.

 

[Lynx]

Holding up Voyager as some kinda pinicle of Star Trek is laughable. Nevermind that you're including the mindless schlock that was the various CSI shows as some kinda benchmark for quality TV? Seriously?

Voyager was quite good for the first three seasons and the series was actually better than total failures like ENT, DSC and PIC.

The CSI series were interesting and exciting. I liked them, except for the recent pathetic try to re-start the original CSI without the original characters. That show suffers from exactly the syndromes whiich most shows made after 2015 does.

That's funny, I have no problem finding quality comical series to watch. Always Sunny in Philadelphia certainly has no problem tickling my funny bone.

I haven't got the chance to watch that so I can't comment on it.

[/QUOTE] Oh please. There's plenty of amazing actors working today who could play those parts just as good, if not not better.
[/QUOTE]
No, they won't. It will never be the same as with the original actors.

To name a few off the top of my head..... Strange New Worlds, Stranger Things, Brooklyn Nine-Nine, Sherlock, Boardwalk Empire, The Handmaid's Tale, Justified, Fargo, What We Do In The Shadows, The Good Place, Abbott Elementary, Veep, Schitt's Creek, Game of Thrones, Homeland, Succession, Better Call Saul, The Expanse, Atlanta, The Witcher, Andor, The Mandolorian.

Nevermind the shows that started before your 2010 starting point like It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Parks and Rec, Community, Mad Men, Breaking Bad, etc.

I have to mention that I don't live in the US and many of the series you mention haven't reached our shores yet or have ended up on certain streaming services which I'm not ready to pay for due to the overall crappy content on those services.

But I will comment on those I have watched.

I will definitely give Strange New World a chance. I think that it can be interesting.
Fargo was definitely OK.

Sherlock. Meh!
Game Of Thrones. Oh, I'm so tired of those sword-waing bearded gnomes and the depressive Middle Ages. Give me a decent Western or someething like DS9 instead.
Brooklyn Nine-Nine and Homeland were so-so. Not bad but not exactly what I want either.
I watched a part of The Mandolorian but it didn't seem that interesting. maybe I try to watch it again.

 

[Dukhat]

So basically it boils down to you having an opinion about the quality of these shows and actors (which is fine), but also implying that everyone else thinks the same way you do about them (which isn’t.)

 

[fireproof78]

To name a few off the top of my head..... Strange New Worlds, Stranger Things, Brooklyn Nine-Nine, Sherlock, Boardwalk Empire, The Handmaid's Tale, Justified, Fargo, What We Do In The Shadows, The Good Place, Abbott Elementary, Veep, Schitt's Creek, Game of Thrones, Homeland, Succession, Better Call Saul, The Expanse, Atlanta, The Witcher, Andor, The Mandolorian.

Nevermind the shows that started before your 2010 starting point like It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Parks and Rec, Community, Mad Men, Breaking Bad, etc.

The Expanse.

For All Mankind.

Hell on Wheels.

I've seen bits and pieces but those definitely stack against Star Trek or CSI nonsense. I thoroughly enjoy the Mandalorian and think it does a decent job with a character arc.

Never mind that I don't consider Trek the pinnacle of TV anyway.

 

[Takeru]

If you can't discuss the subject as such and instead has to come up with childish accusations and exaggerations, then I would like to suggest that you simply quit coming up with comments about this.

You say that but you also say this:

And you can't find any actor in this era who could play the characters as good as Stewart, Frakes and the others did.

Which is an exaggeration of the lack of quality in modern acting. Of course a new cast could play the parts just as good, this isn't even a question, recasting characters is normal and should happen more often. No actor owns a character or played them so well that no one can ever do it again.

You also list the CSIs and NCIS as examples of great tv? Like them as much as you want, I certainly have no problem with a well made procedural, they can be fun but they are hardly the pinnacle of tv.

I you don't want a reboot that's fine but maybe don't act like modern tv has nothing to offer, there's so much great stuff out there.

To name a few off the top of my head..... Strange New Worlds, Stranger Things, Brooklyn Nine-Nine, Sherlock, Boardwalk Empire, The Handmaid's Tale, Justified, Fargo, What We Do In The Shadows, The Good Place, Abbott Elementary, Veep, Schitt's Creek, Game of Thrones, Homeland, Succession, Better Call Saul, The Expanse, Atlanta, The Witcher, Andor, The Mandolorian.

Nevermind the shows that started before your 2010 starting point like It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Parks and Rec, Community, Mad Men, Breaking Bad, etc.

The Good Wife, The Good Fight, Evil, Downton Abbey, Rubicon, Southland, The Crown, The Haunting of Hill House, The Fall of the House of Usher, One Piece (Live Action), The Leftovers, Peaky Blinders, Ted Lasso, Fleabag, Mayor of Kingstown, Episodes, WandaVision, Agatha All Along, Only Murders in the Building, High School Musical: The Musical: The Series, We were the lucky Ones, Shogun, The Morning Show, Will Trent, The Bear, X-Men '97, Modern Family, Don't Trust the B**** in Apartment 23, Reservation Dogs, Hacks, The Gilded Age, Baby Reindeer, Fellow Travelers, Hannibal, Sharp Objects, Dark, Black Sails, Young Sheldon and so, so many more.

 

[Dukhat]

None of the TNG actors (except perhaps Stewart) were considered 'great actors' at the time. Ditto for TOS, DS9, VOY, or ENT (although at least we knew Scott Bakula from a previous hit sci-fi series.)

 

[UssGlenn]

That's a ridiculous statement, neither actors nor writers are better or worse than they were before.

I do feel like, while we have more diverse backgrounds in the writers rooms, any individual writer probably has a narrower band of experience than they used to (especially if they went to college for writing). Look at Roddenberry, Fight in WWII, then Civilian Pilot, then Police officer, all before he became a professional writer at age 35!

 

[Takeru]

I do feel like, while we have more diverse backgrounds in the writers rooms, any individual writer probably has a narrower band of experience than they used to (especially if they went to college for writing). Look at Roddenberry, Fight in WWII, then Civilian Pilot, then Police officer, all before he became a professional writer at age 35!

Yes, look at Roddenberry. The way you phrased makes it sound like he was must have been better than modern writers with less diverse experiences before becoming writers but that's not the case.

 

[UssGlenn]

Yes, look at Roddenberry. The way you phrased makes it sound like he was must have been better than modern writers with less diverse experiences before becoming writers but that's not the case.

Well, I quite deliberately did not make that statement. It's difficult to quantify anyway. Lets say you have 2 writers, the first writes a story inspired by their family and childhood and wins a Pulitzer, and never publishes again. The other writer writes 50 books and they are all moderately successful, but not groundbreaking. Who's the better writer?

 

[Takeru]

Well, I quite deliberately did not make that statement.

That's why I said "makes it sound like", in the context of this thread where Lynx said modern writers are less talented than older ones it's easy to read it like that.

It's difficult to quantify anyway. Lets say you have 2 writers, the first writes a story inspired by their family and childhood and wins a Pulitzer, and never publishes again. The other writer writes 50 books and they are all moderately successful, but not groundbreaking. Who's the better writer?

I agree that who is better is hardly quantifiable, it is very subjective. Who's more prolific and/or successful is easily quantifiable but doesn't necessarily say something about the quality (unless appealing to the most people is how we decide to measure who is better). Neither do awards because those aren't given out using objective criteria either.

Which is why I said modern writers aren't better or worse, nothing has changed in that regard.

 

[trekfan_1]

I'd be OK with EITHER a Prime universe Stargazer prequel with young Picard or Kelvin Universe TNG "reboot".

 

[Dukhat]

I'd be OK with EITHER a Prime universe Stargazer prequel with young Picard or Kelvin Universe TNG "reboot".

I know I had mentioned earlier that I would rather have a young Picard show instead of a reboot of TNG, but to be honest, I really don’t want any more prequels at all. Because prequels suck. They very rarely build positively onto whatever the thing is that it’s a prequel to, and it’s more likely that they just retcon the latter to fit their own narrative at that latter’s expense.

 

[JamesRye]

I see a lot of great writing and acting in modern shows. I mean, Better Call Saul was incredibe, I love The Lincoln Lawyer, Foundation, The Expanse, Reacher, The Manalorian and more....

I wish Star Trek could be as good as those series.