A Next Gen Reboot?

[TroiFan4ever]

Uh, hard pass.

The legacy of TNG and the impact that it's had on me and so many other people CANNOT and NEVER WILL BE duplicated nor should it even ATTEMPTED to be duplicated.

Even for the purposes of a reboot with 30-40 something actors (the ages the TNG cast were when filming "Encounter at Farpoint") the cast feels so irreplaceable in those roles.

 

[fireproof78]

Uh, hard pass.

The legacy of TNG and the impact that it's had on me and so many other people CANNOT and NEVER WILL BE duplicated nor should it even ATTEMPTED to be duplicated.

Even for the purposes of a reboot with 30-40 something actors (the ages the TNG cast were when filming "Encounter at Farpoint") the cast feels so irreplaceable in those roles.

It's not meant to replace anything.

 

[JesterFace]

Uh, hard pass.

The legacy of TNG and the impact that it's had on me and so many other people CANNOT and NEVER WILL BE duplicated nor should it even ATTEMPTED to be duplicated.

Even for the purposes of a reboot with 30-40 something actors (the ages the TNG cast were when filming "Encounter at Farpoint") the cast feels so irreplaceable in those roles.

I think I have very similar view about a STNG reboot.
There's no need for such a thing.
Obviously it would be interesting to some people but I might skip it.
Did 'Picard' series do more harm than good?
Would a reboot be much different?

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I think this is the kind of thing that comics books are good at, like how they adapted George Lucas' first draft of Star Wars as its own thing. We've already had a mirror universe TNG comic, they could make a TNG reboot comic next. That would completely sidestep any issues about timelines and continuity and recasting, and let the creatives be as creative as they want.

 

[fireproof78]

I think I have very similar view about a STNG reboot.
There's no need for such a thing.
Obviously it would be interesting to some people but I might skip it.
Did 'Picard' series do more harm than good?
Would a reboot be much different?

What harm?

It's art. It can't be harmed by any definition because of a newer installment. Does various incarnations of Batman, Superman, Romeo and Juliet, etc. cause issues with people watching the older installments? Is the Wizard of Oz lesser because of Wicked?

 

[Qonundrum]

Uh, hard pass.

The legacy of TNG and the impact that it's had on me and so many other people CANNOT and NEVER WILL BE duplicated nor should it even ATTEMPTED to be duplicated.

The same could be said for TOS. It got rebooted. Even a prequel or two where all the people who were on the Enterprise are now all working together too. Or something like that. Trying to make a prequel that caters to new audiences as well as the established ones is not a cakewalk.

Also, no show/reboot can't be fully duplicated because the style of the times (clothing, hair, set designs) would be too out of place, noting ENT season 4 tried to morph and meld something anachronistic into what would become TOS's look.

Unlike the days of stage plays where there are no server farms to render effects, it was all done live with paper airplanes.

And live performances of musicians prove that the attempt to replicate fully the studio session sold on vinyl or whatever won't be the same either.

Or actors. Shakespeare plays were remade time and again, but 90 years later they weren't going to go to fetch the original actors. Sadly, not possible. Now, over time, the original intent of the Shakespeare plays may have been misinterpreted. Some have postulated "Romeo and Juliet" was perhaps intended as a dark comedy rather than tragedy. (Wow, Al Bundy has nothing compared to that article...) Never mind the 1968 flick where they showed more skin than what the ~1595 original had, and I don't mean that bare ankle either...

Even for the purposes of a reboot with 30-40 something actors (the ages the TNG cast were when filming "Encounter at Farpoint") the cast feels so irreplaceable in those roles.

Does age make a difference? (At least for a reboot vs original creation.) The fun thing is, TOS and TNG drew fans of all ages before, contrived reasons for the lead to be young and firm when most captains wouldn't be anything that young, and yet now all these reboots seem to need be or look like 20- or 30-somethings at most or else audiences won't care (but some say they don't care regardless). There's a Gen-X joke or two in all this somewhere, but I can't see that either...

 

[Qonundrum]

What harm?

It's art. It can't be harmed by any definition because of a newer installment. Does various incarnations of Batman, Superman, Romeo and Juliet, etc. cause issues with people watching the older installments? Is the Wizard of Oz lesser because of Wicked?

Some who have TNG might see PIC and think some actions seem out of character. Conversely, people new to the huge franchise of Star Trek might see PIC first, then try TNG, and wonder what the bleep is going on. The fun part is, as strong as TNG's continuity was, it wasn't perfect, and that - along with other audience perceptions (as are the series' writers, etc) leads to a perception of harm.

At the end of the day, regardless of relation to the franchise, it's still its own show.

 

[TroiFan4ever]

It's not meant to replace anything.

If this reboot does happen they'd cast new actors as the main characters, am I wrong? That's what I meant.

 

[HotRod]

If this reboot does happen they'd cast new actors as the main characters, am I wrong? That's what I meant.

He means that even if there's a reboot with new actors cast in the roles, it still doesn't replace the originals.

 

[fireproof78]

If this reboot does happen they'd cast new actors as the main characters, am I wrong? That's what I meant.

The original will still exist. Nothing ceases to be.

He means that even if there's a reboot with new actors cast in the roles, it still doesn't replace the originals.

Exactly. Reboots happen and the originals are still able to be enjoyed.

 

[Qonundrum]

The original will still exist. Nothing ceases to be.

Unlike the original Star Wars trilogy? As long as the originals are available then they don't cease to be.

Exactly. Reboots happen and the originals are still able to be enjoyed.

Very true. Reboots are not always in a style that some audiences expect or want, but others like the different style -- and the original is still there. Unlike the original Shakespeare actors and tone and perception of the original plays... Like or dislike the changes, either subtle or gross, the name carries on. That said, I've enjoyed - as comparative example - both incarnations of "Battlestar Galactica", and some of the original stars didn't care for the reboot either. One even came back to play another character, which was great!

 

[fireproof78]

Unlike the original Star Wars trilogy? As long as the originals are available then they don't cease to be.

Lucas tinkered with it throughout. I still watch on VHS. So, still available.

 

[Qonundrum]

Lucas tinkered with it throughout. I still watch on VHS. So, still available.

Only as long as VHS players still exist and don't damage the tape... VHS is, effectively, only good for box art nowadays. Wish I didn't give away most of my VHS collections as I could have made a big wall montage for some reason...

 

[fireproof78]

Only as long as VHS players still exist and don't damage the tape... VHS is, effectively, only good for box art nowadays. Wish I didn't give away most of my VHS collections as I could have made a big wall montage for some reason...

Yes, which is why I still buy a player.

 

[JesterFace]

What harm?

Reboots happen and the originals are still able to be enjoyed.

The thing is once you watch something you cannot unwatch it and that might become a problem.
Example, many familar faces from STNG are killed for some reason, like, I don't know, THE MAIN CHARACTER.
Is that the only way to get reactions these days from audience?
Data.... Maddox.... Hugh.... Shelby.... Come on, really?

Also, what if the reboot is the introduction for some for example STNG and then they watch the 1987-1994 STNG and think what is this, so different than the reboot.
When it comes to effects and the whole visual experience for some 90s material might not cut it and simply because of that they choose to ignore most of the original and focus on the reboot.
It may not go like that but it's possible?
And then there's the 4:3 and 16:9 thing, can new viewers handle that?

 

[fireproof78]

The thing is once you watch something you cannot unwatch it and that might become a problem.
Example, many familar faces from STNG are killed for some reason, like, I don't know, THE MAIN CHARACTER.
Is that the only way to get reactions these days from audience?
Data.... Maddox.... Hugh.... Shelby.... Come on, really?

Also, what if the reboot is the introduction for some for example STNG and then they watch the 1987-1994 STNG and think what is this, so different than the reboot.
When it comes to effects and the whole visual experience for some 90s material might not cut it and simply because of that they choose to ignore most of the original and focus on the reboot.
It may not go like that but it's possible?
And then there's the 4:3 and 16:9 thing, can new viewers handle that?

That's not harm; that's choice.

The people I know who won't watch TNG because of how it looks or feels are not going to change their mind because of a reboot. They're just not going to watch it period.

 

[JesterFace]

people I know who won't watch TNG because of how it looks or feels are not going to change their mind because of a reboot. They're just not going to watch it period.

What I meant was that people who would watch a reboot, like it and want to watch the original and find the 87-94 STNG just too different and ignore it, for those the reboot would be the "original".
On the other hand it could work the other way too, a reboot is loved by many and they find the original because of that.

 

[fireproof78]

What I meant was that people who would watch a reboot, like it and want to watch the original and find the 87-94 STNG just too different and ignore it, for those the reboot would be the "original".
On the other hand it could work the other way too, a reboot is loved by many and they find the original because of that.

Either one is possible. Certainly have seen it with SNW to TOS. The idea that a reboot is problematic to the original strikes me as hyperbole not backed up by how many consume media. I mean, is Lost in Space problematic as a reboot?

If the answer is "No," then why should Trek be different?

 

[JesterFace]

@fireproof78
I guess it's a thing that doesn't have one straight answer, to each their own they say.

 

[fireproof78]

@fireproof78
I guess it's a thing that doesn't have one straight answer, to each their own they say.

I suppose but I'm still baffled by the idea of harm.