I've seen what they think when Star Trek actually is serious business.
A more "serious" version of "Lower Decks"?
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Star Trek is at its absolute worst when it takes itself too seriously.
Examples?
Deep Space Nine is a good place to start.
Yup. Got it.
"Balance of Terror" (TOS)
"The Conscience of the King" (TOS)
"The City on the Edge of Forever" (TOS)
"Amok Time" (TOS)
"Obsession" (TOS)
"A Private Little War" (TOS)
"Day of the Dove" (TOS)
"The Tholian Web" (TOS)
"The Empath" (TOS)
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
"The Measure of a Man" (TNG)
"The Enemy" (TNG)
"The Defector" (TNG)
"Yesterday's Enterprise" (TNG)
"The Offspring" (TNG)
"Sins of the Father" (TNG)
"Sarek" (TNG)
"The Best of Both Worlds" (TNG)
"Family" (TNG)
"Reunion" (TNG)
"The Wounded" (TNG)
"The Drumhead" (TNG)
"Darmok" (TNG)
"Ethics" (TNG)
"The First Duty" (TNG)
"The Inner Light" (TNG)
"Chain of Command" (TNG)
"Face of the Enemy" (TNG)
"Lessons" (TNG)
"Second Chances" (TNG)
"The Pegasus" (TNG)
"Lower Decks" (TNG)
"Preemptive Strike" (TNG)
All terrible.
Please note a large chunk of this list is the Mighty Middle of TNG.
Star Wars/Clone Wars disagrees with you.
The worst.
I don't think you fully grasp the concept of taking oneself too seriously.
Right.
So what did you think of those episodes? Are they Star Trek at its worst? You know the answer to that as much as I do.
I am right. WOK doesn't take itself too seriously. There are several moments throughout the film where Meyer deliberately winks at the audience.
Most of the others you listed still manage enough levity to show they're self-aware enough to address the ray guns and green women in the room.
Most of the others you listed still manage enough levity to show they're self-aware enough to address the ray guns and green women in the room.
Really? Point out the levity in "The Drumhead". I'll pull up a chair.
I did say most.
Drumhead is shit.
Drumhead is shit.
Okay. I don't agree, but this is as far as I'm willing to go.
I like serious and I like silly. The latest episode of Lower Decks was silly, but I got a huge kick out of it. Same with the one before it. I gave them both 10s.
Star Trek works best when it acts like a serious sci-fi show and not Rick and Morty featuring Star Trek.
Winks at the audience are fine. "HERE'S A REFERENCE FROM TOS, HERES A REFERECNE FROM TNG, REMEMBER SUB ROSA?!!!" is just
. I think comedy works best when a show takes its premise seriously (The Office for example). The crew of the Cerritos knows they are in a Star Trek show and act accordingly.
Star Trek works best when it is entertaining. Lower Decks, for me, is wildly entertaining.
Exactly. Star Trek is a large sandbox for story telling. Telling an entertaining story is job one.
There’s a major difference between someone having an opinion based on personal tastes and fact.
I have never seen a more clear-cut example in all my years of fandom.
Star Trek works best when it acts like a serious sci-fi show and not Rick and Morty featuring Star Trek.
Winks at the audience are fine. "HERE'S A REFERENCE FROM TOS, HERES A REFERECNE FROM TNG, REMEMBER SUB ROSA?!!!" is just
You do this almost every week and with each new episode.
Is there some misconception on your part that we don’t understand your position in these matters? Because it feels awfully repetitive
Perhaps just needing validation of the point of view? Especially since it appears to be in the minority POV? I can at least appreciate that since I hold a number of points of view that would be considered minority in the Trek community.
Just trying to find other people who think the way I do. I feel VERY alone on this board. I’ve seen people give these episodes 10 out of 10. Lower Decks is on the same level as City on the Edge of Forever, Duet, Inner Light, The Visitor, and others? “Blast shields go up and own, BLAST SHIELD”. Really?
