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A James Bond Fan Reviews the Franchise

I recommend the book The Battle for Bond (which ironically had it's own legal issues). Though not without it's flaws (and obvious biases), the book presents a well-researched and detailed discussion of the Fleming v. McClory story. No one (with the exception of Jack Whittingham) comes out looking particularly good, but McClory does appear to have gotten the shaft from Fleming and Ivar Bryce.
 
^^ Sound advice to all you eager young law students out there: Specialize in intellectual property law. That's where the money is these days!
 
^IIRC, Connery ended up suing the producers of NSNA but I don't know the outcome.

I remember reading (I think it was in a biography of Cubby Broccoli) that when McClory and Connery were trying to get NSNA made, at one stage Broccoli argued that they should only be allowed to make a scene for scene, word for word remake (paging Gus Van Zant?) and generally made life difficult. He then had a stroke and was hospitalised. Connery was quoted as saying 'I hope he getsh paralyshed down one shide of hish fucking body!' Made me laugh, thinking of him saying it.

Connery sued almost every studio. He (and I think Michael Caine) bragged about bankrupting one too.
 
Just so everyone knows....

I'll probably have the TOS review thread up and running on Jan. 17th, as I'll be on vacation for most of this week.
 
Almost forgot....

Rush, or I guess I should say St. William, what was the story you wanted to tell about Goldeneye?

Sorry I'm late, Shran....

Okay. For our "Mass Media/Communications" class, we had a Skype interview with Michael France, who wrote the storyline for Goldeneye.

France had always wanted to do a Bond film--and he got his chance after the success of Cliffhanger--which was a spec script!

We'd all been given the first draft of the script--which was a bit different from the original film. Some of the names are different...Boris Grishenko was not a character...Xenia's method of killing is different (frankly, she's a whole lot sexier in the first draft--yeah, I know!)...

But most importantly, Trevelyan is not Bond's fellow agent. While that had been the plan from the beginning (France noted that he'd wanted to explore the existence of other 00-agents)...by the time the first draft was written, France and the others were toying with making him Bond's old mentor. In other words...Bernard Lee's M (played by a different actor, of course--Lee was dead by then) was going to be the bad guy!

The reason for that was that Anthony Hopkins (Hannibal Lector) had expressed a great deal of interest in playing a Bond villain. So France basically tweaked the story to accomodate him. Of course...Hopkins later had to drop out for something else, and they tweaked it back to the original plan.

Of course, France wrote the storyline, not the final screenplay. A great deal was added (responding to a question from me, France noted with a smirk that he did NOT create Boris), and a great deal was taken away (In the final scene in the first draft, Bond explains, once and for all, WHY it's "shaken, not stirred").

BTW...apparently, Goldeneye was just a working title. Originally, the device was called "Tempest".
 
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^ They're not really franchise issues, in the sense that the 1989-95 hiatus was. The problem is with MGM, the studio which has the rights to 007 and which faces bankruptcy. This also held up production of The Hobbit. But these issues seem to have been sorted; The Hobbit is up and running and it looks like Craig will return, to be directed by Sam Mendes.

Really?!? REJOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYCE!!!

Looking forward to it! :)

Again, sorry I missed all the reviews of the Brosnan films. Let me say that, frankly, I'd have given Goldeneye 4 stars, instead of 3 1/2.

I actually liked Tomorrow Never Dies, and think Pryce was a pretty good--at worst, passable--villain. (I actually take it as a satire on "media bias"!) I actually think it gets dull in the second half, with the first half having a great deal of glamour in the score. Bond's scene with Q was priceless!

The World Is Not Enough--frankly, I don't see what the problem is with this one. I actually loved it, for this reason: Bonds inner struggle as he tries to figure our the true motives behind Elektra. She's actually pretty complex, and the way we're led to believe she's the victim is well done--as it the shocking revelation, as we find out with Bond that she's working with Renad.

Still...I admit it does "dull down" as it goes on.

For Casino Royale:

Casino Royale (****½)

You know, after the inexplicable financial success of Die Another Day, it's nice that the powers that be decided that they should follow it up with a Bond movie that actually didn't suck. Seriously, this is amazing - it ties the record for a jump in quality between two consecutive movies (there was an eight point jump between Moonraker and For Your Eyes Only and this is also an eight point jump.) Thank you powers that be, thank you.

So, where to start? Well, first off, this movie has quite possibly the most awesome line I've ever heard in a film....

Bond: Now the whole world's gonna know that you died scratching my balls.
:guffaw: :techman:

Yep! I remember when I showed the film to my dad. He almost busted a gut laughing at this line (actually, he started when Bond shouted, "TO THE RIGHT--TO THE RIGHT!!!")!

He also often notes to me how smart Bond was when he did that. If there's a guy torturing you--and enjoying it--the thing is to take that enjoyment away.

But, I suppose the most enjoyable aspect of Casino Royale is the fact that it's so down-to-earth, which as you know I admire in my Bond films. Bond doesn't have to avert nuclear war again or save the entire planet from a madman. He just has to stop terrorists from receiving their funding. In the Brosnan era, he literally had to avert a worldwide financial meltdown, avert World War III, keep Istanbul from being nuked, and again avert World War III. This is a very welcome change of pace. In addition to that, it's nice to see that Bond is again acting as an intelligence operative and not a special forces commando.

Daniel Craig delivers a very good performance in his opening outing. While it is true that he channels more of the cold, brutal Bond than any other aspect of the character, I do think his portrayal is more balanced than, say, George Lazenby's. Lazenby channeled too much of the kindhearted Bond to the exclusive of the rest. Craig, however, is clearly a man who can be gentle and kind when the situation calls for it, but who prefers to keep his guard up and be as emotionless as possible. About the only criticism I have of him is that the funny side of Bond's character seems to take a back seat.

The villains are also excellent in this film. Le Chiffre and Mr. White are everything that characters like Renard and Gustave Graves were not. The best kind of villain is reserved, sensible and completely sane - and these villains fit that to a tee. Both offer very menacing performances.

Some other small things I liked - 1.) It's good to see that they are willing to let Bond get dirty and hurt whenever he fights again. It makes the action more realistic. 2.) It's also good that they didn't have Q appear. Like I said before, without Desmond Llewelyn, there's really no point in having a similar character. Simply having a nameless technician accompany M or having Bond's equipment waiting for him was just the right way to go. 3.) The romance between Bond and Vesper is very well done. I can easily see Bond falling deeply in love with this woman. I'll even go so far as to say it was better handled than the romance between him and Tracy in On Her Majesty's Secret Service. 4.) They finally got the relationship between Bond and M right. She is still somewhat hostile toward him, but this time for good reasons - she doesn't know him well enough yet. And this exchange is perfect....

Bond: You can stop pretending. You knew I wouldn't let this drop, didn't you?

M: Well, I knew you were you.
Very well done. :beer:

I agree on all counts (although I wasn't put off with M from the Brosnan films.)

Still, there are few things I didn't like. They're just small, insignificant items on their own, but they do add up a little. First, I do like the grittiness of the action sequences, but at times it feels like they added grit just for the sake of adding it. Second, it almost seems like they've thrown the baby out with the bathwater at places. For example, there's nothing particularly British about Bond anymore. If it wasn't made clear in dialogue that he works for the British government, he could easily be from any Western intelligence service. Finally, I have to ask - why the reboot? With a few script alternations, I can easily see this film being set in the same continuity as all the others, just with a different take on the character.

Well...it kinda makes more sense with this kind of Bond being him at the beginning. We see Bond grow in this film and QOS...something we didn't see in the other films.

So, it looks as if Bond is finally back on track.

Absolutely!

That's Amore: 51
Bond slept with Vesper Lynd. Only one again, what's going on here?

Didn't he sleep with Solange, to get to Dimitrios (or at least...he came close....)

Quantum Of Solace--frankly, this film ties with the Wolverine movie as the fastest-paced film I'd ever seen! This results in many faults: 1) many times, I didn't understand something until I watched it a second or third time; 2) when the film ended, I went, "That's it? It's done?"

That being said, I loved his continuing growth in this film. And "Dominic GREENE" is the perfect name for a villian who's faking environmental disasters...and posing as an environmental activist.

(I've often noted that, considering all the references to Global Warming causing the droughts in the film [the taxi driver's ramblings, Greene's lines in the "fundraiser", etc.]--wihch later turn out to have been caused by Quantum--the premise of the film is that Global Warming is a hoax! :lol:)

My Thoughts for Bond 23:

I'm loving the direction in which the franchise finds itself moving today. And, in case any of the powers that be behind James Bond are reading (which I'm sure they're not, but a guy can dream) I have just a few suggestions for what I would like to see in the next Bond film. 1.) Please keep the down-to-earth atmosphere. Don't let it become mired in campy fun like the later Moore movies did or the special effects ridiculousness of most of the Brosnan ones.

I don't think we need to worry. if they're keeping Craig, they'll doubtless keep the down-to-earth atmosphere.

2.) Don't bring in Q or Moneypenny. Like I've said before, without Desmond Llewelyn, there is no point in having the character. His personal charm and wit were the only reasons the character was successful. Just leave well enough alone and don't reintroduce the character. Also, as I've said before, Moneypenny is a one note character. Without her unrequited love for Bond, she's just about useless to the story. As I doubt that kind of characterization would fly with modern audiences, please don't try to reboot her character. Just leave her out of it.

Well...it depends on the plot. If it justifies having Moneypenny and Q, include them. If not...not.

3.) Let's see Bond in Australia. Something I've never understood about the franchise is that Australia has never played a role in any way, shape or form. As a major Western ally during the Cold War and down to today, why can't we have some exotic locations Down Under? If we can have a South American desert, surely the Outback would be exciting.

Interesting....

In Conclusion:

I hope you've all enjoyed my reviews as much as I've enjoyed doing them. However, I have a confession to make. As much as I love James Bond - as I said in my first post, it's my second favorite entertainment franchise after Star Trek - these reviews were really just intended to cut my reviewing teeth in preparation for some Trek review threads. Sometime after the first of the year, I'll be starting a TOS review thread. I hope to see you all there.

Well done Shran--although I still think Never Say Never Again is pretty dull....
 
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But most importantly, Trevelyan is not Bond's fellow agent. While that had been the plan from the beginning (France noted that he'd wanted to explore th existence of other 00-agents)...by the time the first draft was written, France and the others were toying with making him Bond's old mentor. In other words...Bernard Lee's M (played by a different actor, of course--Lee was dead by then) was going to be the bad guy!

With a decent script, I could see this working. Was it going to be something along the lines of him being upset about being replaced by Judi Dench's M?

(In the final scene in the first draft, Bond explains, once and for all, WHY it's "shaken, not stirred").
Now that's something I would like to know.

Didn't he sleep with Solange, to get to Dimitrios (or at least...he came close....)

Nope, he didn't sleep with her, just had a very heavy make-out session with her. In fact, when she walks off into the bedroom to, shall we say, close the deal, Bond specifically orders room service for one so he leave to catch Dimitrios in Miami.

Quantum Of Solace--(I've often noted that, considering all the references to Global Warming causing the droughts in the film [the taxi driver's ramblings, Greene's lines in the "fundraiser", etc.]--which later turn out to have been caused by Quantum--the premise of the film is that Global Warming is a hoax! :lol:)
:lol: I never thought of it that way. But it makes sense, especially given my own views on Global Warming.



Also, Rush, I'm curious about what you think of Natalya in Goldeneye. I predicted in my review of that movie that she would probably end up as my favorite Bond Girl, and that's one prediction I got right. :)
 
But most importantly, Trevelyan is not Bond's fellow agent. While that had been the plan from the beginning (France noted that he'd wanted to explore theexistence of other 00-agents)...by the time the first draft was written, France and the others were toying with making him Bond's old mentor. In other words...Bernard Lee's M (played by a different actor, of course--Lee was dead by then) was going to be the bad guy!

With a decent script, I could see this working. Was it going to be something along the lines of him being upset about being replaced by Judi Dench's M?

Probably not...especially considering how there were some M-s between them....

And is IS a decent script. Arguably, the finished product's more "fun"--but France's original take has its moments.

(In the final scene in the first draft, Bond explains, once and for all, WHY it's "shaken, not stirred").
Now that's something I would like to know.

The script is as follows ("Marina", of course, eventually became "Natalya"):

BOND​
I told the Barman -- shaken, not stirred.​

MARINA​
(laughing at him)
What is the difference?​

BOND​
Bruised vermouth --
(smiles)
I know you're Russian -- but don't you appreciate the finer things in life?​
Didn't he sleep with Solange, to get to Dimitrios (or at least...he came close....)

Nope, he didn't sleep with her, just had a very heavy make-out session with her. In fact, when she walks off into the bedroom to, shall we say, close the deal, Bond specifically orders room service for one so he leave to catch Dimitrios in Miami.

Ah. Touche.

Quantum Of Solace--(I've often noted that, considering all the references to Global Warming causing the droughts in the film [the taxi driver's ramblings, Greene's lines in the "fundraiser", etc.]--which later turn out to have been caused by Quantum--the premise of the film is that Global Warming is a hoax! :lol:)
:lol: I never thought of it that way. But it makes sense, especially given my own views on Global Warming.

:evil:

Also, Rush, I'm curious about what you think of Natalya in Goldeneye. I predicted in my review of that movie that she would probably end up as my favorite Bond Girl, and that's one prediction I got right. :)

I like her. Great characterization, and she's likeable from her first scene, with her banter with Boris.
 
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On the subject of Natalya (who is a great Bond girl btw) anyone seen the deleted version of the scene in the lift when Bond gives her the gun and says "Know how to use this?" and she jackes back the slide like a pro? In the deleted scene she takes it and the slide jams back as she tries to do it. "Obviously not," says Brosnan dead pan :lol:

As for shaking not stirred, I believe shaking makes the ice colder or something along those lines...
 
For anybody patiently waiting for me to get off my butt and start the TOS review thread, I have to ask for a little more patience. There's another thread currently going on in that forum and I don't want to step on anybody's toes.

But have no fears, I will eventually get my reviews up and running.
 
3.) Let's see Bond in Australia. Something I've never understood about the franchise is that Australia has never played a role in any way, shape or form. As a major Western ally during the Cold War and down to today, why can't we have some exotic locations Down Under? If we can have a South American desert, surely the Outback would be exciting.
Interesting...

I'm obviously biased, but I'd love to see Bond in Canada as well. Aside from the odd throwaway character (the CSIS agent in QoS, the admiral Xenia kills in Goldeneye) there's been very little Canada in the films. I think the BC Rockies would be a great location for a ski chase, for instance. Quebec City would probably also make for a fantastic location for a car\foot chase.

Also, I just want to say that a local theatre here is doing their annual James Bond festival this month. I went to the Dr. No\FRWL double bill last Tuesday, and am probably going to a Live and Let Die\Octopussy double bill tonight. Sadly, though, I missed the Goldfinger\OHMSS double bill last Thursday.
 
The Canadian Rockies would indeed be excellent for a ski chase.

However, Australia hasn't even had the one-shot, throw-away characters that Canada has gotten. I'd still like to see Bond Down Under.
 
Bond in Australia. Yeah, that could work.

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The Canadian Rockies would indeed be excellent for a ski chase.

However, Australia hasn't even had the one-shot, throw-away characters that Canada has gotten. I'd still like to see Bond Down Under.

I can't recall if this was mentioned earlier but wasn't Warhead 2000 supposed to be set in Aus--if it ever got made!

It would be nice to see both places in a Bond film.

I'd also like to see him go back to India again. I have had enough of the far east and south/central America/the Carribean however, and I hope to God he never goes back to Vegas! :lol:
 
The Canadian Rockies would indeed be excellent for a ski chase.

However, Australia hasn't even had the one-shot, throw-away characters that Canada has gotten. I'd still like to see Bond Down Under.

True, but an Australian did get to play James Bond, if only once. I'd say that equals a handful of throwaway characters. ;)
 
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