A&E Taking Heat For Suspending 'Duck Dynasty's' Phil Robertson

[shivkala]

That's really what this boils down to, Phil is being persecuted by militant gay rights groups (and it's okay to call them that because Camille Paglia, a lesbian, says they are wrong) and a privately owned company is infringing his First Amendment rights by putting him on hiatus, while continuing to air his show, thus earning him money.

GLAAD is feeling backlash for complaining and that's okay, because they don't have a right to complain about Phil's comments, since expressing their opinions affects his First Amendment rights. Furthermore, they should just shut up and mind their own business, because they're going to Hell for being sinners anyway and should stop persecuting Christians for expressing their God-given beliefs.

In other words, if you have God (read: The Christian God who believes homosexuality is a sin) behind you, you can say what you want and anyone who opposes you is infringing upon your First Amendment rights. If you don't have God behind you, you better just accept that you're wrong, others are free to tell you that your lifestyle is sinful, and you deserve everything said and done to you.

 

[Maestro]

Shikvala, you are absolutely correct, and I'm not sure I could have said it better myself.

 

[TemporalFlux]

So he can voice his opinion that LGBT are sinners, and presumably, you're saying he doesn't deserve the backlash he's getting.

But, in your opinion, LGBT should just accept that he had a right to say what he wanted and if they voice their opinion that he's a bigot, they deserve the backlash.

Gotcha.

Did Robertson want LGBTs suspended from their jobs? Did he wish for their businesses to be closed? Did he want to destroy their livelihood and make them absolutely pay for their miserable existence?

This is what LGBT do to those who speak against them. Every. Single. Time. LGBT are tolerant of no one and nothing except themselves. And they are never satisfied with just speaking their mind. They demand blood.

 

[EmoBorg]

This is an interesting thread.

 

[Kira's Mom]

So he can voice his opinion that LGBT are sinners, and presumably, you're saying he doesn't deserve the backlash he's getting.

But, in your opinion, LGBT should just accept that he had a right to say what he wanted and if they voice their opinion that he's a bigot, they deserve the backlash.

Gotcha.

Did Robertson want LGBTs suspended from their jobs? Did he wish for their businesses to be closed? Did he want to destroy their livelihood and make them absolutely pay for their miserable existence?

This is what LGBT do to those who speak against them. Every. Single. Time. LGBT are tolerant of no one and nothing except themselves. And they are never satisfied with just speaking their mind. They demand blood.

You sound like the intolerant one.

 

[shivkala]

So he can voice his opinion that LGBT are sinners, and presumably, you're saying he doesn't deserve the backlash he's getting.

But, in your opinion, LGBT should just accept that he had a right to say what he wanted and if they voice their opinion that he's a bigot, they deserve the backlash.

Gotcha.

Did Robertson want LGBTs suspended from their jobs? Did he wish for their businesses to be closed? Did he want to destroy their livelihood and make them absolutely pay for their miserable existence?

This is what LGBT do to those who speak against them. Every. Single. Time. LGBT are tolerant of no one and nothing except themselves. And they are never satisfied with just speaking their mind. They demand blood.

No, he just wants them to recognize their very lifestyle is wrong in his eyes, due to his interpretation of the religion he follows. To follow his opinion through, they should deny their hearts, and live the way he believes they should live.

But, yeah, believing their entire lifestyle is wrong pales in comparison to Robertson being suspended.

 

[cooleddie74]

A private company is NOT violating somebody's free speech rights when they suspend an employee from their service for doing or saying something that brings a bad light on that company and threatens their business and revenue stream. People have got to get it through their skulls at some point that when a private concern with no connections to the government nor any taxpayer money suspends or fires somebody for spouting something that's publicly embarrassng and damaging to the brand and the business model that it's acceptable, legal and not in violation of any Constitutional right whatsoever.

You not agreeing with the decision is your own business, but it's completely and utterly moot and has no legal standing or bearing on the fact that a redneck with bigoted views about both gays and Jim Crow-era American society received a suspension from a TV series that he himself is voluntarily involved with through a personal business contract that was forced on him by nobody. He entered into the contract with A&E willingly and if his behavior is found to embarrass or threaten the standing of the network and its programming and reduce their competitiveness then the network has the right to amend or even terminate the relationship. It's A&E, not an agency of the federal government or a public organization partially or wholly funded with taxpayer money. This isn't even something that's up for legitimate debate between two sides with equally valid opinions.

There is no violation of First Amendment rights here, just a private, free market business decision.

Still waiting for your definition of "militant" gay groups. I don't think the notorious People's Revolutionary Combat Front for the Advancement of Interior Design and Sensible Yet Gorgeous Shoes is involved in any of this.

 

[shivkala]

I think you have me confused. My post was meant to be read with all the sarcasm I put into writing it. I was trying to reflect the opinion of the side I do not believe in: namely their belief that Robertson is right and everyone else has no right to say anything. I tried my best to sum up their argument.

I think I must have done too good a job if you misread it! Though, now I feel bad, because if you were ready to earn a warning, I'd at least want you to do so directing your animosity towards someone who truly believes in what prompted you to post what you did!

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

I think you have me confused. My post was meant to be read with all the sarcasm I put into writing it. I was trying to reflect the opinion of the side I do not believe in: namely their belief that Robertson is right and everyone else has no right to say anything. I tried my best to sum up their argument.

I think I must have done too good a job if you misread it! Though, now I feel bad, because if you were ready to earn a warning, I'd at least want you to do so directing your animosity towards someone who truly believes in what prompted you to post what you did!

I understood your post as sarcasm, if that makes you feel better.
But I can see how someone might not, if he lost track of who said what previously in the thread a d read it out of context.
Maybe edit in a sarcasm disclaimer or something.

 

[shivkala]

^
Yeah, that's the problem with internet postings, it's harder to tell when someone is being sarcastic.

And no, that wasn't meant to be taken sarcastically.

Neither was that.

Okay, this time I meant it. Totally. Completely.

And now I can't even tell if I'm being sarcastic.

 

[Manticore]

So he can voice his opinion that LGBT are sinners, and presumably, you're saying he doesn't deserve the backlash he's getting.

But, in your opinion, LGBT should just accept that he had a right to say what he wanted and if they voice their opinion that he's a bigot, they deserve the backlash.

Gotcha.

Did Robertson want LGBTs suspended from their jobs? Did he wish for their businesses to be closed? Did he want to destroy their livelihood and make them absolutely pay for their miserable existence?

This is what LGBT do to those who speak against them. Every. Single. Time. LGBT are tolerant of no one and nothing except themselves. And they are never satisfied with just speaking their mind. They demand blood.

No one demanded his suspension. A&E did that on their own.

To make something very clear, there is no moral need or cause to tolerate bigotry. And no, it is not bigotry to express outrage at bigotry.

 

[RJDiogenes]

It's unfortunate that America venerates the theocratic Puritans as our founding myth. We pretend that Jamestown doesn't matter, that America really got started in 1620 and Plymouth Rock. We pretend that the Pilgrims are an uplifting story of religious freedom, ignoring that for them religious freedom meant something as militantly intolerant as jihadist Islam is today. The myth is uplifting. The reality is far messier.

You shouldn't say "America," you should say "some Americans," because it's not you and it's not me and it's not a lot of other people.

“There is a dialogue going on human civilization, for heaven sakes. It’s not just this monologue coming from fanatics who have displaced the religious beliefs of their parents into a political movement,” she added. “And that is what happened to feminism, and that is what happened to gay activism, a fanaticism.”

She's absolutely right that we live in an age of mindless extremism, but she's forgotten that A&E has rights, too.

I saw white Jesus yesterday in the CVS parking lot. He drives a red Toyota.

Two men say they're Jesus. One of them must be wrong.

I think I must have done too good a job if you misread it! Though, now I feel bad, because if you were ready to earn a warning, I'd at least want you to do so directing your animosity towards someone who truly believes in what prompted you to post what you did!

Heh. I understood you, too. I think that other guy just read your first paragraph and went off the rails. Hopefully he'll edit it before a Mod sees it.

 

[bigdaddy]

^
Yeah, that's the problem with internet postings, it's harder to tell when someone is being sarcastic.

And no, that wasn't meant to be taken sarcastically.

Neither was that.

Okay, this time I meant it. Totally. Completely.

And now I can't even tell if I'm being sarcastic.

Yeah I'm like "I don't think he's crazy, but that seems pretty crazy".

So I'm sorry be calling you a crazy dumbfuck asshole.

Been a long week.

 

[Manticore]

^
Yeah, that's the problem with internet postings, it's harder to tell when someone is being sarcastic.

And no, that wasn't meant to be taken sarcastically.

Neither was that.

Okay, this time I meant it. Totally. Completely.

And now I can't even tell if I'm being sarcastic.

Yeah I'm like "I don't think he's crazy, but that seems pretty crazy".

So I'm sorry be calling you a crazy dumbfuck asshole.

Been a long week.

Now hug both of you crazy dumbfuck assholes.

 

[bigdaddy]

If you are cute you get a longer hug.

 

[shivkala]

^
Yeah, that's the problem with internet postings, it's harder to tell when someone is being sarcastic.

And no, that wasn't meant to be taken sarcastically.

Neither was that.

Okay, this time I meant it. Totally. Completely.

And now I can't even tell if I'm being sarcastic.

Yeah I'm like "I don't think he's crazy, but that seems pretty crazy".

So I'm sorry be calling you a crazy dumbfuck asshole.

Been a long week.

I hear that. And don't worry about apologizing, just because you're wrong about my post doesn't mean you're wrong about me being a crazy dumbfuck asshole.

 

[Shilliam Watner]

So he can voice his opinion that LGBT are sinners, and presumably, you're saying he doesn't deserve the backlash he's getting.

But, in your opinion, LGBT should just accept that he had a right to say what he wanted and if they voice their opinion that he's a bigot, they deserve the backlash.

Gotcha.

Did Robertson want LGBTs suspended from their jobs? Did he wish for their businesses to be closed? Did he want to destroy their livelihood and make them absolutely pay for their miserable existence?

This is what LGBT do to those who speak against them. Every. Single. Time. LGBT are tolerant of no one and nothing except themselves. And they are never satisfied with just speaking their mind. They demand blood.

No one demanded his suspension. A&E did that on their own.

To make something very clear, there is no moral need or cause to tolerate bigotry. And no, it is not bigotry to express outrage at bigotry.

GLAAD wanted his suspension. Their lobby for it worked. Robertson has never asked for gays to lose their jobs over their lifestyles.

 

[shivkala]

Once again, he may not want them to lose their jobs, he just wants them to give up their lifestyles.

 

[bigdaddy]

^
Yeah, that's the problem with internet postings, it's harder to tell when someone is being sarcastic.

And no, that wasn't meant to be taken sarcastically.

Neither was that.

Okay, this time I meant it. Totally. Completely.

And now I can't even tell if I'm being sarcastic.

Yeah I'm like "I don't think he's crazy, but that seems pretty crazy".

So I'm sorry be calling you a crazy dumbfuck asshole.

Been a long week.

I hear that. And don't worry about apologizing, just because you're wrong about my post doesn't mean you're wrong about me being a crazy dumbfuck asshole.

Isn't this what Christians are supposed to be about? Love and forgiving and not damning and bitching and hating?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Christmas is about each child breaking a hundred dollars worth of new toys by Boxing day.