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Discussion in 'Fan Art' started by Robert Simmons, May 9, 2014.

  1. Robert Simmons

    Robert Simmons Commander Red Shirt

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    Where I get the wood? Lowe’s Oklahoma City South Santa Fe and SW 74th store.
    4x8 3/4 plywood $29 a sheet. Deck
    2x4 8 ft $3.00 each for legs and framing
    4x8 7/16 sheet plywood $32 each for console framing. I wanted 1/2 inch instead but I am not paying $45 a sheet. I’ll use 2x4 reinforced corners to fasten the sides together to compensate for the wood being too thin to drive screws into to frame the console. Plenty ridged and lighter.

    4x8 1/8 inch MDF paneling $7.00 a sheet for skinning consoles.

    If the costs rise above $300 to finish the build I’m under obligation to let him know. Until then I need to focus on assembling what I already have purchased.
     
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  2. Robert Simmons

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    Been thinking about doing something to speed up getting the measurements out there faster for everyone...mainly photograph the models up close from all angles so my measurement notations are more legible to read. When I started this thread I wanted to show the models as proof but Had not given thought about showing them in a way to where my notations would be closer and easier to read. After a few comments over time of people liking to be able to read the writing on the panels it made me wonder to just post better images that are easier to read for everyon here. Been mulling this for about a week now. Just call me slow to clue in on this as a option. By doing it means less waiting to get the overall stage 9 measurements out there in a easier to digest form. That way everyone doesn’t have to wait forever waiting for me to do and publish the drawings. Thoughts?
     
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  3. Fiver

    Fiver Cadet Newbie

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    Considering you are doing this as a labor of love and making it available to anyone for free… as far as I’m concerned you can take all of the time you need. As to posting more detailed, legible photos; that’s always appreciated but most of us understand that you have time constraints and that there are limits to energy and stamina. I’m a little older than you are so I’m well aware of those limits. I only discovered this thread a few days ago and it’s already proven to be the most detailed study of the original sets that I’ve found. I cannot express how valuable this is as a resource. I’ve been trying to model the original bridge set since 1975 and it’s been a long, frustrating journey. The old AMT model kit (recently modified and re-released by R2) is dreadfully inaccurate and following the McMaster blueprints will yield a decent model that will bother you incessantly because it’s just not quite right so if you want the real thing; you have to strike off on your own and the first wall you run into is that no one thought to preserve the construction plans 50 years ago (if there ever actually were any) so you struggle (well, you do if you’re me) with screen grabs and brief insights from modeling boards and the years keep going by…

    I digress (you have to go with your strengths). What I mean to say is that I’ve waited 42 years for this so I can wait a little longer. In fact, given the quality of your work; I can wait as long as it takes. Take your time and enjoy doing it. We are very grateful to you for the effort.

    I’m glad to hear your wife is on the mend. My partner has had a bad year as well but she’s finally starting to turn around. There is nothing more penetrating and distracting than the constant worry over a loved one in pain.

    Take good care and thanks again.

    Fiver.
     
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  4. Robert Simmons

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    Thank you. Humbled.
     
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  5. Bernard Guignard

    Bernard Guignard Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    It's your project and I appreciate the work that you do take your time and any picture and drawing is gratefully welcomed as to the progress that you make.
     
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  6. Cyfa

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    I must say, very impressive workings, calculations and extrapolations in your July 12th post!
     
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  7. Robert Simmons

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    Thanks guys. Priority for now in order...

    1. Wrap up check on deck width measurements.
    2. Physical build
    3. Restoring photos from photo bucket.
    4 posting closer more readable photos of models
     
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  8. Robert Simmons

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    Update. After wrangling with mapping 1/2 bridge in multiple large scales and having small measuring errors pop up that threaten to cause creep when added up over multiple platforms I’ve decided to just do the measurement full scale. Hopefully this next week if it doesn’t rain I’ll be looking for a remote parking lot that is shielded from the wind armed with fresh sharpies, twine, large masking tape to mark the break points for writing the measurements and large rulers. Starting point will be the results of the previous 1/4 scale measuring. Goal: balancing out the platforms widths between the 9 non viewscreen platforms for the centerline half bridge. After that I’m ready to resume building. Hopefully this will be done before New Years.
     
  9. Robert Simmons

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    Update: Save for a few images I am still having to track down...all the images have been transferred and restored here from Photobucket to Imgur. Will keep looking.

    The full scale measuring went well until I got my butt scolded at work about the building owner wanting to come in and lay a second coat of wax. First I heard of it after waiting for her to wax the floors to get permission next door to lay out full scale 1/2 the bridge centerline to get accurate measurements. Didn't quite get there. Had to tear up all the tape marks before I got the fine tuned measurements. Spent a hour before work every day working on it. That’s 7 hours wasted. That was about 2 weeks ago. Had flu after that. Now looking at alternate methods to verify platforms widths before continuing full scale build.
     
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  10. Tallguy

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    The flu this year is plague I wouldn't wish it on Harry Mudd.
    Hope you feel better.
     
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  11. Robert Simmons

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    Offical Scans for Release 1.4
    Been needing to post these. Got the overhead outer ring bridge platform measurement revisions hammered out in large scale. There is a slight disagreement with the 35.5 / 40.5 dimensions we've been pursuing. But I think the drawings posted here are more of a refinement to that and not a contradiction. The platform drawings here pretty much match the Steve Sardinis Journey To Babel Bridge measurements. I'll be posting a photo of all the angle and foot and inches measurements I did all over that printout. Broke down and bought a 11x17 plus size scanner / printer. So no more waiting to get stuff scanned and posted which should speed things up here immensely. With these new deck revisions I have been adjusting the platform widths to match. Other than a few last minute checks on the console uprights and lining them up to the 13 ft from radial center on the deck I'm ready to find the console top and bottom widths and resume cutting lumber.

    I'll be working on getting the file sizes down and the quality up.

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  12. Bernard Guignard

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    Thank you very much :techman::techman::techman::techman::techman:
     
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  13. Robert Simmons

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    Here is the previous 6 ft by 4 ft printout of the Journey To Babel bridge scan sheet with angles and ruler measurements on the right side of the bridge. There was some variance on the outside of the bridge consistently fluctuating above and below 5 ft 4 inches. And the lines dividing the platforms when aligned missed bridge center of the lower 3rd of the astrogator. Suggests that Mr. Sardanis rushed the drawing or reproduced Marshall's Charlie X and Balance Of Terror line angles tracing them which is more likely what happened. Given the production schedule of the series We can understand that and it was more than good for what they intended to use it for planning the series filming. But you work with what you have.

    Bought a digital protractor at Lowe’s for this to put this to bed once and for all. I broke this down by just measuring 180 degrees right side of the bridge from view screen center to middle of the communications console. The 2 platforms for the view screen disagreed so I went with the 20.5 over the 19.5 opting for making a 40.5 degrees for the view screen as MGagen suggested with the remainder of 180 degrees ( 180 - 20.25 = 159.75 degrees divide by 9 = 17.75 ) and divided it between the remaining platforms. Ruled it out in 1 / 7th scale and the platforms crept 3/4 inch into the view screen platform. So 3/4 of a inch in 1/7th scale was a bit too small for me to divide by 9 and redraw, so I adjusted the the difference in the view screen by the 3/4 reducing it to 20.2 degrees. Adjusted the platform angles to compensate for the fudge. When checking the measurements everything came out pretty much as the Journey To Babel drawing with Console platforms outboard of 5 ft 4 inches. After trying to nail it down after the past few months as a double check I felt this was something I can be comfortable with to lock in. Moving on to the physical build of the consoles. Build plans to follow.

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    Update: Sort of…
    For comparison to the enlarged measurements image of the Journey To Babel Bridge I’m posting the large 2 ft x 3 ft print out measurements of the similar McMaster sheet. Having done a remeasure of all points of the outer bridge ring I have to correct myself and say the outer ring on the McMaster drawing starts at 9 ft 5 inches and not 9 ft 4 as I previously said. This is due to previously I only measured the distance 90 degrees to the right of the helm on this McMaster drawing when I originally arrived at 9 ft 4. ( Notation error I made noting the 90 Degree spot right of the helm shows 9 ft 5 instead of 9 ft 4. I was hurriedly writing these down after each ruler check and I had 9 ft 5 on the brain. Take a guess why. Oops... ) When doing a second check of the deck recently I noticed the difference when I measured everything else on the drawing. I assumed there was a consistency that both drawings would adhere to as a pattern to determine what the target measurements would be. For the most part my expectations on that presumption got blown up when I checked all the measurements on both drawings.
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    Before I did the review of the outer ring deck measurements I had already began building but halted when I was asked about my certainty of these measurements. Hence my doing a second check of which I am glad I did. So when I arrived at what I concluded the final measurements were and posted them here I modified the platforms to the new measurements so to get the correct widths for the consoles. The photos look sad with them cut up and changed. But I plan on soon building 2 new fresh platforms to continue the build on.

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    When I got the width measurements for the consoles I resumed building today. ( I had free time around a dental appointment so why not put it to good use? )

    A few images of today’s work.

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    Before assembling the console frames I noticed the angle beneath the instrument panel was not square so I checked it against a Spock science station wilded still which was square. Made the corrected cut which then matched. Also it made where it fell on the deck aligning with the even foot measurements which I take as a good sign. The revision will be reflected in future drawings. As a result the revision will push the top of the dome point about 6 inches inboard right over the deck edge at 9 ft 3 inches from bridge center which matches some TOS stills I checked. This change will be reflected in later revisions to the outer bridge ring profile drawings.

    The full scale build is also assisting in working out problems and assisting in finding where everything should fall. So the full scale build is acting as a working proof to fine tune the build drawings I’m posting. But it is a slow process checking back and forth as I build. So be patient.

    Priority for now....

    1. Full scale build

    2. Release revised drawings harvested from full scale build for Drawings.

    3. posting close up pictures of measurements of models.
     
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