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8X07 "Kill The Moon" (Grading/Discussion)(SPOILERS!)
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This is Clara Oswald's darkest hour. She'll rise higher than ever before... And then fall that much further. And Danny can't be with her until the very end.
For this is it. This is where she learns what kind of man the Twelfth Doctor truly is...and how far he's willing to go.
This is her breaking point.
(And no, I'm not implying Danny's the Doctor.)
For this is it. This is where she learns what kind of man the Twelfth Doctor truly is...and how far he's willing to go.
This is her breaking point.
(And no, I'm not implying Danny's the Doctor.)
Horrible science, but otherwise great- easily the best Doctor-lite episode of Nu Who. Hopefully next week's will be the best companion-lite...
I still think Blink and Turn Left were better Lonemagpie... and I'm not sure I'd categorize that as a Doctor-lite story. He was dominant until the climax of the story. I'd say it just makes it more Clara-centric.
And that is really the only nitpick I might have. Otherwise, this is the best episode of this series. Great acting, pace, story (though yeah, the science of the Moon made little to no sense), and characterization.
And that is really the only nitpick I might have. Otherwise, this is the best episode of this series. Great acting, pace, story (though yeah, the science of the Moon made little to no sense), and characterization.
Also, makes me excited for the screen version of Strange & Norrell, since Pete wrote that as well.
I think it was the equivalent of the Doc-lite for this season. Not as lite as previous seasons, because there's an episode fewer, but remember there was also a lot stand-in location work with the spacesuits... So they've disguised it better.
I forgot Blink was technically Doc-lite, cos I was thinking of companion-forward episodes...
Fantastic episode, and Capaldi has never been better as the Doctor, giving us a Time Lord who can run the gamut of temperament and could put Malcolm F Tucker in his place if need be. I think this is the episode where he's really made the role his own.
And bloody damn hell, it makes use of the new later time slot. Honestly thought the astronaut might buy the farm on account of the colourful language. (I half-expected someone to drop the f-bomb.)
And Jenna-Coleman-was-awesome. Really, it's almost just a question of how far she will knock it out of the park on any given day. Clara is quite clearly still Clara, dumping the Doctor rather than the other way around (having gotten her face on worldwide TV, presumably a huge faux pas for a time-traveller from 35 years in the past).
Writer Peter Harness is one to watch, giving us riveting drama that goes about as far to the mature end of the scale as this show can, ably supported by Paul Wilmshurst's direction.
And bloody damn hell, it makes use of the new later time slot. Honestly thought the astronaut might buy the farm on account of the colourful language. (I half-expected someone to drop the f-bomb.)
And Jenna-Coleman-was-awesome. Really, it's almost just a question of how far she will knock it out of the park on any given day. Clara is quite clearly still Clara, dumping the Doctor rather than the other way around (having gotten her face on worldwide TV, presumably a huge faux pas for a time-traveller from 35 years in the past).
Writer Peter Harness is one to watch, giving us riveting drama that goes about as far to the mature end of the scale as this show can, ably supported by Paul Wilmshurst's direction.
Well I thought the first two thirds were awful, clunky as hell and summing up why, sometimes, the new show has real pacing issues...No time to get to know characters, to get any build up of suspense--plus it felt like there were scenes, or partial scenes missing.
The final third of the episode was great though, fantastic interplay between the Doctor and Clara and both Jenna and Capaldi knocked it out of the park.
I think this might have benefited from being a two parter, with the first part being all about the spiders, and the second about the egg.
The final third of the episode was great though, fantastic interplay between the Doctor and Clara and both Jenna and Capaldi knocked it out of the park.
I think this might have benefited from being a two parter, with the first part being all about the spiders, and the second about the egg.
Well to be honest guys I was quite disappointed. The spider's were forgettable (my parents even found them laughable and my dad was creeped out by the spiders in Planet of Spiders), the plot was pretty slow and it was just......dull. I wouldn't really call it bad but it certainly wasn't good. I gave it 2/5. This felt pretty typical of Smith's era to me, in fact I read this was originally actually written for Smith.
BTW I really wouldn't call this doctor-lite.
BTW I really wouldn't call this doctor-lite.
I don't get why mission control and the crew where all British? Because I notice the shuttle had a USA flag, so I take it the shuttle was the enterprise and as they said they were the last nukes I assumed the world clubbed together to save the day.
Gave it a quite good rating. Capaldi was great as usual but I'm really not getting Clara this season. It makes sense what the Doctor was trying to do, especially after the Astronaut said to the Doctor "Who made you boss". To bring a Trek comparison into it it's the Vulcan situation on Enterprise: The Vulcans made all of the decisions for Earth until Archer got sick of it. The Doctor is trying to let Earth make it's own decisions good or bad. Clara gets pissy that the Doctor put her and her student in danger when she should know by now that all Travel in the TARDIS is dangerous and like the Doctor said most things in life are dangerous.
There was a reference to communications satellites being knocked out, I think, so presumably Mission Control was British because that was the area of Earth in line of sight of the Moon at the time; a few hours later control might have been passed to America, then Hawaii, Japan, India, etc etc.
On which note, it was only the Europeans, west Africans and east coast Americans who really got to vote with their lights (because Clara couldn't see the other side of the Earth)... So I guess the other hemisphere will be able to claim, "Ah, but we didn't vote to kill the baby, you lot did..."
On which note, it was only the Europeans, west Africans and east coast Americans who really got to vote with their lights (because Clara couldn't see the other side of the Earth)... So I guess the other hemisphere will be able to claim, "Ah, but we didn't vote to kill the baby, you lot did..."
* Farfetched premise, but felt like a story from the classic era.
* Courtney wasn't to bad.
* I actually liked Danny in this episode. Much better written than last week.
* The Doctor telling them to make the choice was prefect. He actually thought was doing the respectful thing.
* Courtney wasn't to bad.
* I actually liked Danny in this episode. Much better written than last week.
* The Doctor telling them to make the choice was prefect. He actually thought was doing the respectful thing.
Didn't care for this, it's one thing when the premise is out there but I don't believe in the actions and motivations of the characters either.
The exteriors were shot on Lanzarote (sorry, no return to Sarn this year!) and graded grey.
"One, two, three, into the TARDIS!" - Four to Adric, Nyssa and Tegan in Logopolis.
"When I say run, run!" - Five (possibly Warriors Of The Deep) and maybe others.
Has anyone spotted any other quotes from earlier episodes, or was the writer just showing his age?
"When I say run, run!" - Five (possibly Warriors Of The Deep) and maybe others.
Has anyone spotted any other quotes from earlier episodes, or was the writer just showing his age?
I think it would have worked better to leave the planet without a moon at the end, give some more weight to the action. The way it came back even seemed like an afterthought, "Look, the moon is back.".
^ I think they felt obliged to leave a moon there, given that The Moonbase (1967) was set in 2070.
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