They took the time to admit that Doctor will have other names.
So...
Introducing John Hurt as the Valeyard.
Although more likely...
Introducing John Hurt as Storm.
(Was Storm short for Stormageddon? He took the babies name? WTF?)
7X13 The Name Of The Doctor(Grading/Discussion)(SPOILERS!)
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They took the time to admit that Doctor will have other names.
So...
Introducing John Hurt as the Valeyard.
Although more likely...
Introducing John Hurt as Storm.
(Was Storm short for Stormageddon? He took the babies name? WTF?)
I guess we did learn the name of the Doctor, just wasn't expecting it to be John Hurt.
Ah, but what else did he do in the Time War?
"The Cruel Tyrant. The Slaughterer of the Ten Billion (Worlds? Star systems? Galaxies?!?). The Final Darkness."
Eleven's words (do we start putting quotes in there now? 'Eleven'?) seem to spell out that Hurt's Doctor did some - no, a LOT - of f'd up, totally-against-character, flat out EVIL things before Gallifrey went boom. And it was only when he had to pull the trigger on his own planet - his own people - that he was shocked back to the side of "peace and sanity."
This is the Doctor that went to the Dark Side.
And in the Doctor's Wife he talks about wanting forgiveness, as I recall. That might be taken up in November with Hurt's Doctor. Can the Doctor forgive himself for pulling the trigger on the Time War?
So...basically John Hurt's Doctor dropped the nukes to end WW2 in a manner of speaking, so the other Doctors are so appalled they ignore or forget his existence?
I really doubt that Moffat would hang the story of a character on backstory that only about twenty thousand people are going to be aware of.
He's going to hang the story on something he pulled out of his arse otherwise.
Whatever else, we have 6 months to hammer this out before we find out for sure.
I'm certain we'll all have a chance to voice our opinion in the forthcoming "Who is the Hurt Doctor? mega-poll"
Given time to actually look at this it looks like she actually seems to have period appropriate outfits.
It would go along with the comment Porridge made about feeling sorry for the bloke who pushed the button to blow up an entire galaxy. New Who has focused heavily on the Doctor's guilt from the Time War to the exclusion of all the good he has done. The Doctor is self loathing in new Who for the sin of surviving the Time War. The anniversary special may be an attempt to get past that ongoing aspect of the new series.
With Clara now part of the Doctor's past, even on Gallifrey, how much will each other remember about all this? Could Clara's Gallifreyan past cause something of a crack in the Time Lock that brings about having to deal with John Hurt's Doctor?
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Yeah I noticed that the first time. As if my crush on JLC wasn't bad enough already, she looked super-cute in that late 60's/early 70's getup, and the horrid 80's fashion when she sees McCoy is funny.
I'm still wondering why Clara doesn't bat an eye at the fact that there have been regenerations of the same Doctor. Rose and Donna were put off by it. Can we assume that the Doctor tells her at some point or she learned it in the library of the TARDIS?
Or maybe the sense of thousands of Claras around time and space just crowds out any amazement at a few versions of the Doctor? Also, she is wired into the Tardis telepathic circuits, so it could have provided her a readiness to accept the Doctor's regenerations.Yeah I noticed that the first time. As if my crush on JLC wasn't bad enough already, she looked super-cute in that late 60's/early 70's getup, and the horrid 80's fashion when she sees McCoy is funny.
I'm still wondering why Clara doesn't bat an eye at the fact that there have been regenerations of the same Doctor. Rose and Donna were put off by it. Can we assume that the Doctor tells her at some point or she learned it in the library of the TARDIS?
I also like that they used that damned umbrella cliffhanger. "Doctor!! Why are you doing that, it makes no sense!!"
You know, that's a really good point about being on Gallifrey. In fact, the clips show her on Gallifrey during Tom Baker's Invasion of Time. So, the time lock has been cracked.
Mr Awe
Me too, I like the idea that John Hurt is the original original Doctor, and in his Hartnell regeneration is when he made the promise to name himself The Doctor, and help people.
I'm thinking his John Hurt first incarnation he must have done something really really really bad. It makes sense now why he'd want to run a way in a TARDIS and go explore the universe and help people if he did something really bad in his first incarnation, he's been trying to redeem himself all this time. Everything fits into place with this theory.
It's possible. I'm certainly not ruling it out, and if it is the Time War it's an era of the Doctors life that I'm very curious about. It just doesn't seem like "The Big Secret" material to me. It would have to be something beyond the scope of the Time War itself, I would think.
Am I the only one that found it odd there wasn't any real footage of Nine and Ten?
Plus, wasn't there news about McGain filming a Mini-Episode to air between now and the 50th. If that's the case, wouldn't it make sense (re: Hurt being a Time War Doctor) that the Minisode shows McGain's regeneration into Hurt?
It's nice that Moffat can still pull a good episode out of his butt, after this seasons misfires.
Plus, wasn't there news about McGain filming a Mini-Episode to air between now and the 50th. If that's the case, wouldn't it make sense (re: Hurt being a Time War Doctor) that the Minisode shows McGain's regeneration into Hurt?
It's nice that Moffat can still pull a good episode out of his butt, after this seasons misfires.
A theory I just read on Youtube....Hurt might be the meta-crisis Doctor that stayed with Rose and aged. Although Ten was angry at his clone at the end of Journey's End for killing all the Daleks, I don't know if he'd be mad enough to block him out.
Edit: I just looked at it again, and Hurt's haircut is similar to Tennant's, though missing the telltale sideburns. I'm still leaning toward the side that he's a hidden regeneration, but the clone thing is interesting.
Edit: I just looked at it again, and Hurt's haircut is similar to Tennant's, though missing the telltale sideburns. I'm still leaning toward the side that he's a hidden regeneration, but the clone thing is interesting.
When I rewatch this episode again that is what I'll be imagining her saying
I loooooooooooooved this episode, btw. I had a huge grin on my face during the opening with Clara, that was so well done. I thought the plot was interesting, and enjoyed the revelation of Clara. Seeing the all the Doctors briefly was pretty neat too, though was there a reason Ten wasn't shown? Or will that tie into the anniversary special?
I was kind of hoping we'd get a proper trailer for the anniversary special, as far as I know they are finished filming it aren't they?
I voted "Radagast". Good episode, despite not quite living up to my expectations.
BTW, here are GIFs I made of Clara's encounters with the first 8 Doctors in the opening scene, in Doctor order:
Oh wow, I had no idea they slipped Eight in there. Awesome!
I'd say it's far more likely he'll end up being a regeneration between 8 and 9 or being a pre-Hartnell Doctor than being the metacrisis Doctor. This is a part of the Prime Doctor, just a part that's been buried. Whatever he did, the Doctor buried that part of himself, hid it, and considers it a broken promise so terrible as it to be his darkest secret. It's gotta be bigger than locking away Gallifrey and the Daleks.