7X13 The Name Of The Doctor(Grading/Discussion)(SPOILERS!)

[Starkers]

If the Sontarans can invade Gallifrey then I'd say the Daleks are a decent foe for the Timelords, dangerous enough that the Timelords wanted to erase them from existance by sedind the 4th Doctor to ensure they barely made it past the drawing board. Besides the Daleks have had time travel since the time of the 1st Doctor which makes them a heck of a threat.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

In both cases, as Starkers suggested with The Master, there's absolutely no indication of such a thing has happened over such a long period of time (both in universe and in real time).

Yes, it's a new idea. I like that.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I like ideas as much as the next guy but what when it contradicts (or simply doesn't line up with) a long history or said long history doesn't show any indication of such a thing happened (during a time when it was suppose to happen).

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

I like ideas as much as the next guy but what when it contradicts (or simply doesn't line up with) a long history or said long history doesn't show any indication of such a thing happened (during a time when it was suppose to happen).

Contradicting old ideas is what new ideas do.

In my opinion, the Master is a terrible character, and anything that gives him a little substance is welcome.

 

[DalekJim]

The Master is awesome in The Deadly Assassin, Logopolis, Castrovalva and Survival. Uh, that's about it.

If I were in charge I'd bring the Meddling Monk back. Much better character.

 

[Venardhi]

I ret-con it as something that has always been there in a more subdued manner. The sound he heard when there was silence, a reminder of whatever he saw in the void and causing his more subtle and creeping insanity. When the Time Lords brought him back for the war, they brought him back 'wrong' and the drumming was now the ever-present and maddening sound he describes it as. By the time we meet Simm's Master it had been pounding in his mind for so long that he forgot a time when it wasn't.

 

[DalekJim]

If the next person to write The Master has any sense they'll forget the drumming. Doesn't even make sense in the context of what RTD put it there for. Hearing drums makes you wanna kill innocent people? Da fuck?

If the Sontarans can invade Gallifrey then I'd say the Daleks are a decent foe for the Timelords,

The Sontarans invade for like 5 minutes before being stopped .

 

[Stevil2001]

That implication is just as bad as the notion The Master has been hearing "the sound of drums" since he gazed into the Eye of Harmony, which is a notion I utterly despise

What's wrong with it?

In both cases, as Starkers suggested with The Master, there's absolutely no indication of such a thing has happened over such a long period of time (both in universe and in real time).

I think it was the About Time books who suggested if he has been hearing drumming all this time driving him slightly mad it would explain why he never seemed to realise alien races would double cross him, used ridiculously convoluted plans, disguised himself when there was no need to and why he pursued low level villany like trying to disrupt the signing of the Magna Carta.

Interesting, which book states that and where? I have all of them but I've read small sections of each so far. (And on a completely off topic note, are they ever going to do books for Eccleston and Tennant?)

I don't remember it from About Time, but Russell T Davies himself said in Doctor Who Magazine that the drums must have been particularly loud on the day The King's Demons happened.

About Time 7, which will cover Series 1 & 2 (2005-06) will be out this September: http://madnorwegian.com/713/books/s...authorized-guide-to-doctor-who-series-1-to-2/

 

[Starkers]

If the next person to write The Master has any sense they'll forget the drumming. Doesn't even make sense in the context of what RTD put it there for. Hearing drums makes you wanna kill innocent people? Da fuck?

If the Sontarans can invade Gallifrey then I'd say the Daleks are a decent foe for the Timelords,

The Sontarans invade for like 5 minutes before being stopped .

True, but they do gain a beachead on Gallifrey, and if they can do that what could the Daleks (who are clearly more advanced than Sontarans) do?

 

[Guy Gardener]

It was anticipation.

The Doctor assumed the worst, and let things play out just in case he was completely outguned, outwitted and outmatched...

Imagine his surprise when it just turned out to be the Sontarans.

Once he knew the face of the enemy, the all too familiar enemy, he could counter them easily.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

If the next person to write The Master has any sense they'll forget the drumming. Doesn't even make sense in the context of what RTD put it there for. Hearing drums makes you wanna kill innocent people? Da fuck?

Actually, that part makes sense. Imagine having to listen to the same sound nonstop for a very long time. Or just imagine having to listen to a sound for an hour, like a jackhammer running nonstop outside your office or a car alarm outside your home when you're trying to sleep. That irritation builds up into something over a period of time, especially if you can't get rid of it.

What's wrong with it?

In both cases, as Starkers suggested with The Master, there's absolutely no indication of such a thing has happened over such a long period of time (both in universe and in real time).

I think it was the About Time books who suggested if he has been hearing drumming all this time driving him slightly mad it would explain why he never seemed to realise alien races would double cross him, used ridiculously convoluted plans, disguised himself when there was no need to and why he pursued low level villany like trying to disrupt the signing of the Magna Carta.

Interesting, which book states that and where? I have all of them but I've read small sections of each so far. (And on a completely off topic note, are they ever going to do books for Eccleston and Tennant?)

I don't remember it from About Time, but Russell T Davies himself said in Doctor Who Magazine that the drums must have been particularly loud on the day The King's Demons happened.

About Time 7, which will cover Series 1 & 2 (2005-06) will be out this September: http://madnorwegian.com/713/books/s...authorized-guide-to-doctor-who-series-1-to-2/

About time (pun unavoidable)!

 

[The Wormhole]

and how the Zygons fit into it I have no idea...

I doubt the Zygons are going to be integral to the 50th. When we meet up with Tennant, he'll probably be in the middle of an adventure involving Zygons which will be probably be interupted by the arrival of Smith and Hurt.

 

[Sindatur]

I think because there's no indication any of the other Masters were hearing drums. You'd have thought they'd have mentioned it at some point.

Eh...The Master is a Drama Queen. It was a frackin' Ear Infection. All he had to do was have The Doctor give him some Antibiotics, and that pounding in his ears would've cleared up in a couple days

 

[Starkers]

 

[Guy Gardener]

Did the Master meet Rasilon in the 5 Doctors?

 

[diankra]

About Time 7[/i], which will cover Series 1 & 2 (2005-06) will be out this September: http://madnorwegian.com/713/books/s...authorized-guide-to-doctor-who-series-1-to-2/

I think the last changes went in two weeks ago - Tat was a little irritated that he'd have to second-guess anything that might be relevant in the last couple of episodes rather than being able to refer to it properly...

 

[Redfern]

He had been punched by the Brigadier and then "hog tied" by the time the "interactive image" of Rassilon manifested, but the Master may have been awake.

Sincerely,

Bill

 

[diankra]

Did the Master meet Rasilon in the 5 Doctors?

Yes and no. He was bound and gagged (by the Brigadier) by the time Rassilon materialised, but clearly conscious, so he'll have heard everything that happened. Then Rassilon sent him home at the end ("His sins will find their punishment in due time").

 

[VDCNI]

That implication is just as bad as the notion The Master has been hearing "the sound of drums" since he gazed into the Eye of Harmony, which is a notion I utterly despise

What's wrong with it?

In both cases, as Starkers suggested with The Master, there's absolutely no indication of such a thing has happened over such a long period of time (both in universe and in real time).

I think it was the About Time books who suggested if he has been hearing drumming all this time driving him slightly mad it would explain why he never seemed to realise alien races would double cross him, used ridiculously convoluted plans, disguised himself when there was no need to and why he pursued low level villany like trying to disrupt the signing of the Magna Carta.

Interesting, which book states that and where? I have all of them but I've read small sections of each so far. (And on a completely off topic note, are they ever going to do books for Eccleston and Tennant?)

Well it must have been one of the later ones - the 80's one or the second edition of the Pertwee. It was only a passing comment.

Unless I've completely made it up!

 

[RoJoHen]

If the next person to write The Master has any sense they'll forget the drumming. Doesn't even make sense in the context of what RTD put it there for. Hearing drums makes you wanna kill innocent people? Da fuck?

Actually, that part makes sense. Imagine having to listen to the same sound nonstop for a very long time. Or just imagine having to listen to a sound for an hour, like a jackhammer running nonstop outside your office or a car alarm outside your home when you're trying to sleep. That irritation builds up into something over a period of time, especially if you can't get rid of it.

Plus, ya know, they're wibbly-wobbly timey-whimey drums. That shit'll mess you up.