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6x07 A Good Man Goes To War (Grade/Discuss) SPOILERS!

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Wow the episode blew me away. It was so well done. Great acting and script. Exciting action which has improved this series I think. And the acting was fantastic. Especially from Matt Smith.
Was shocked when the baby disapeared not from surprise but for it being a heartbreaking m7om7ent for Amy. I cant think of baby snatc3hing happening before in Dr Who but theres a lot of the classic series I haven't watched.
 
Can someone write a decent synopsis/point to one on the net somewhere? The one on Wikipedia looks like it's been written by a 10 year old.
 
My friend went back and started rewatching The Time of Angels after this ended. She pointed out that the Doctor said at the beginning of ToA that the museum he and Amy were in were the "final resting place of the Headless Monks."

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About already guessing the ending, Rivers "old man" comment was too clear a clue backn in the first episode. but even if you guess it you cant be 100% sure untill the revelation.
 
My friend went back and started rewatching The Time of Angels after this ended. She pointed out that the Doctor said at the beginning of ToA that the museum he and Amy were in were the "final resting place of the Headless Monks."

:D
Man, they're dedicated!
 
Gay agendas return was a bit of a let down
So everytime Who mentions a gay character its an agenda? well then all of TV has a hetrosexual agenda then. They appear because gay people are common just like Hetrosexual people.

Yeah, if fans keep up with this nonsense, I might start tossing about the word "homophobia." When it was a joke, that was fine. But I have to agree people are really overreacting to this. There were black UNIT brigadiers in Planet of the Dead and Children of Earth, and the Doctor finally broke the on-screen color barrier by taking on Mickey and Martha as companions. So should we start griping about some sort of muli-racial agenda?

I signed in to praise the episode - and I will in a minute - but I'm siding with you that we're well past the "straw breaking the camel's back" on this non-issue. To quote the Doctor last week: "we've moved on!"

Now, as for the episode itself - WOW! Of course it was frustrating in places, but remembering this is not the season finale, only the mid-season finale, of course not everything is going to be explained. We still have to wait to find out who the regenerating girl is - assuming she's not River. And exactly who eyepatch lady is will have to wait as well (the line up for those who think she's the Rani starts behind the waste-disposal bins in the alley... ;) ).

But so much greatness here:

The return of the ORIGINAL Cybermen - none of that Cybus stuff (no C's on their chests!).

Rory totally rocking the Last Centurion bit (though exactly why the Doctor wanted him in costume is a puzzler).

Neve McIntosh gets to play a third sexy Silurian - and one with a sexy companion. And they have the hots for each other. And SAMURAI SWORDS! You just can't make up this stuff -- unless you are Steven Moffat!

Coolest Sontaran ever. And we even got a Judoon tossed in, along with a blind-and-you-miss-it-and-who-didn't-see-it-coming return cameo by the pirates. The only thing missing was a walk-on by Idris.

But my favorite character has to be Lorna, the companion-who-might-have-been. She's likely to go down as one of the more tragic companions the show has had (yeah, I know, the debate over whether to consider her a companion begins now). I have my fingers crossed we'll meet her again later.

And then there's the cliffhanger. I honestly don't feel it's the game-changer Moffat claimed it would be. It hasn't changed the way I look at the show - The Doctor's Wife did that- nor does it really change the Doctor that much. But it is nonetheless a very good twist, and a much better option than the one I had come to worry might have been the case - that River Song was actually THE DOCTOR. I'd started to think this might have been the case a month or so ago, and then I heard the line about the Corsair changing sexes...

My favorite moment had to be the shout-out to Thunderbirds and Lady Penelope (what was the name of the Silurian's driver? And what did he call her?). That and finding out the title for the next episode! :rofl:

Alex
 
great episode. when they told us the baby's name i kinda had it figured out. but, for a moment there i thought River was going to be...the Doctor. which would have been really weird.
 
Finally! I admit I've been a bit 'meh' about the season so far, but I'm finally excited about it! and just when it goes on break for a few months *rage*

Boy, enough cool secondary characters here to keep fanfic writers busy for years. Just a shame they had to kill some of them off. :(

It was nice to see Eleven get really angry at last. Matt's actually a bit scary.

Jeez, poor Amy. Shes gonna need years of therapy once this is done.

Great stuff all around, only let down by the fact that most of us had Rivers identity pegged since last episode. I was really hoping we were all wrong this time.

Was also bummed to not get any sort of big baddie reveal. Wasn't there a rumored 'old enemy' that was supposed to appear this season? I guess if so they're going to save it for the series finale. (I just hope its not 'ten minutes of screen time in the last episode') Sadly these two things knock it down one notch from 'Victory'.

So did anyone else roll their eyes a bit at the return of the crack RAF 'take out the communications array' squadron? ;)

Holy crap. At one time, destroying a cyberfleet was the entire point of a story. Now the Doc just does it to prove a point.

And yeah, as others have said, if the BBC wants to do a new spinoff series, I know just the couple.
 
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Rory totally rocking the Last Centurion bit (though exactly why the Doctor wanted him in costume is a puzzler).

I'll field that one, skip!

The Doctor has in past hinted (and even once or twice admitted) that his own eccentric wardrobe and personality are a kind of smokescreen for his enemies.

If the bad guys are spending even one moment puzzling over your outfit, or dismissing you as a fool because of your personality, then you've got an advantage you wouldn't have had without the weird threads.

Rory is going to war, and a lot of dangerous people are going to see him in their sights. Confusion over the Roman garb, or the growing legend of "The Last Centurian" are advantages that might help keep him alive.

River understood, The "float like a butterfly" means "look silly and play the fool" and then you sting like a bee.
 
That was the episode I've been waiting for all season. Finally all the little bits and pieces starting to tie together. More questions of course, but at least a bunch have been answered.

The teaser with Rory was awesome on a stick. And the lines from the Sontaran were just excellent.

I get the Doctor 'rose so high', but can't see the 'fall so far'. Perhaps like the final faceoff with Davros, he sees who he really is, and it's a good point. What is the Lady so afraid of, and who does she represent?

Yes, the child is misplaced (or not :D ), but there will be a recovery. And if the child in the second ep is her, how did she know what to do at ep end?

Shame about the blue guy, I liked him.

The lady really is a worthy adversary. Didn't see the trick with the baby coming.

Idris's words to Rory must have been a clue for the Doctor.

"They're always brave." Heartbreaking line.

The reveal right at the end, while half expected, was well handled. The Doctor's reaction, embarrassed glances at Rory and Amy, was classic.

All in all, a really good ep. My only complain is there should have been more like this, and that earlier eps were in effect just setups for this one, which weakened them individually.
 
Really enjoyed the episode, gave it a Victory! It was interesting to see Amy question the Doctor about him having children when his family was likely lost in the Time War with the exception of his granddaughter Susan who was supposed to be on Earth in the future.
I was really hoping Jenny was going to show up in this episode. At the rate they are going there will be a new race of Time Lords soon.
 
There was a lot of exposition, but it so makes up for it by facing off what NuWho started with 'What has the Doctor become'. I was hoping that Moffat would take up the idea of the Doctor wanting redemption for the end of the Time War. River's speech questioning the path the Doctor is on points that way I'd say. This really looks to be a season that needs to be rewatched to fully appreciate.
 
Hmmm...hmmmm...

I'm not sure what to make of this episode. Was it fun? Yes. Was it cool to see old enemies working alongside The Doctor? Absolutely (although bringing back "Danny Boy" and the Averys was a bit much). Was it shocking or game-changing? Not really.

In defense of that last question, it didn't help that we fans spent months (even years!) speculating about the nature of River Song, so it's hard for that to be surprising. Same for the second bait-and-switch ganger move, this time with Melody.

On the plus, the episode did feel conclusive and can stand on it's own, despite what I expected. Yes, baby Melody is still out there, The Doctor has left behind Rory and Amy, and there are plenty of questions abounding (Why did The Doctor leave Rory and Amy behind? How does Melody eventually become River? Who was Lorna Bucket and what is her connection to the "bigger picture?" What is Madame Kovarian's ultimate goal? Is she involved with anyone else, like say, the Silents? and so on...), but the immediate story ended satisfyingly enough.

But does that really make it a good episode? I'm not sure. I'm going to have to think about this episode some, read what others thought and probably rewatch it to decide, but it's problematic that I have to do that decide whether or not I like it (whereas I loved "The Doctor's Wife" from beginning to end with no question).

Oh, one last thing: I couldn't help but notice that the prequel featuring Dorium making a deal with the Headless Monks (I love that name!) wasn't in the episode itself.

I think we'd all go for a spin-off show featuring the crime-fighting lizard and her side-kick in Victorian London. I could see a show in which they really solve all the crimes for which a certain Mr Holmes takes all the credit. :p
How Inspector Gadget-esque! I would definitely watch this. :D

The "why do you put up with me?" tongue joke MADE this episode for me! I can't believe that made it in there (children's show my ass), but it was brilliant!
That would be the Stevie Wonder gag for me. :guffaw:

The Sontaran had some brilliantly funny lines as well. :D
Upon reflection, yes there were a lot of great lines, especially the Melody/The Doctor "conversation.

The Stevie Wonder bit sounds like a short story just waiting to be written. :D

I'll be in my bunk...

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I loved the relationship these two had. I certainly hope we see more of them.

And...*ahem* I will also be in my bunk.

The return of the ORIGINAL Cybermen - none of that Cybus stuff (no C's on their chests!).
Yeah, but still obnoxiously stomped. :borg:
 
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I've watched it twice now, and I'm not ready to really discuss it.

Right now I am feeling very.... weird. And it's a weirdness that maybe not everyone can fully identify with. Stories where people have their children taken from them are very hard to take. And today... I was working on taking down a strong symbol of my own children's childhood - The old swingset they used to play on way back in the day. Okay, so I plan to turn it into a garden shed that LOOKS like a Tardis.... :lol:

But it's still a weird feeling
 
So... The Time Lords seemingly existed for billions of years, and regenerations are seemingly not a technological development but bestowed by the Time Vortex. That second bit seems ridiculously contrived.

Actually, I think it rather a bit makes more sense than the idea that it's technological.

Some questions I believe we're left with:
Is Melody the little girl from TIA/DOTM?

I believe that was the implication -- hence the Doctor flashing back to her in "The Impossible Astronaut"/"Day of the Moon," and hence the Doctor explaining why it was too late to stop the bad guys from taking her. He'd already been a part of Melody/River's causal nexus, and therefore couldn't change it without altering Melody/River's past (and thereby causing giant bats to appear and eat everyone a la "Father's Day").

Also, has River/Melody got a full regeneration life cycle, and is it possible that she regenerates after the events of Forest Of The Dead?

I doubt it. Her body was clearly dead, and her consciousness was transferred into the Library's computer mainframe.

Why was the cot in the TARDIS? Sounds like he was planning ahead when he stole her.

Well, the Doctor claimed it was his crib, but personally I think (given his hesitation) that it was for his children, before he ran off with the TARDIS. But either way, it was never Melody/River's -- River didn't tell him to look at the writing on the side of the crib when he asked who she really was, she was telling him to look at the clothe. When the TARDIS translated the clothe, he realized that Melody was River.

doctor who's finest hour: saying run away and then they run away

Certainly far more impressive than assembling the Key To Time or preventing the destruction of the Multiverse or anything like that...

Everything is more impressive than assembling a piece of plastic with a pompous name. Literally everything in modern Who is more impressive than TOS Who.

In mentioning the ‘Papal mainframe herself’ tied the Omega/church/military to the Catholics – I would have liked the church to remain as an example to what can happen to any church if that power is misused or twisted.

Earlier in the episode, the Fat One and the Thin One referred to themselves as Anglicans. So I think that by mentioning that and the Pope, the intent was to subtly establish that this Church isn't exactly either of the churches we're familiar with in real life.

So how come River died without regenerating in the Silence in the Library 2-parter?

Because you can't regenerate if you die before the regeneration finishes. Same reason the Alternate Future Doctor died in "The Impossible Astronaut."

Really enjoyed the episode, gave it a Victory! It was interesting to see Amy question the Doctor about him having children when his family was likely lost in the Time War with the exception of his granddaughter Susan who was supposed to be on Earth in the future.

What makes you think Susan stayed on 22nd Century Earth? (Or, for that matter, that that timeline exists after the Time War and Genesis of the Daleks?) Personally, I think Susan returned to Gallifrey after her Human husband died, and that she was the Woman who appeared to Wilfred in "The End of Time." And that, thus, she died in the Time War, too.

I was really hoping Jenny was going to show up in this episode. At the rate they are going there will be a new race of Time Lords soon.

God I hope not.

Why did The Doctor leave Rory and Amy behind?

He was doing a thing. I'm sure we'll find out in "Let's Kill Hitler."

How does Melody eventually become River?

Well, the Doctor said that it was now too late to rescue Melody from the baddies even though he could do so, in theory. Given that he flashes back to the little girl in "The Impossible Astronaut"/"Day of the Moon," it seems pretty obvious to me, as I said above, that he now knows that Melody is part of a causal nexus in which he has become entwined, and that he can't stop her abduction without screwing around with the fabric of time too badly for things to work out. So apparently Melody grows up thinking of her name as being River. From there, I'm fairly certain we're going to see her future/River's history as the season progresses.

Who was Lorna Bucket and what is her connection to the "bigger picture?"

I should think that was pretty obvious: She was someone the Doctor had saved in the past (or would save in his future) who joined the Church in the hopes of seeing him again, and then she died. There doesn't necessarily have to be any further connection to the larger story arc.

What is Madame Kovarian's ultimate goal? Is she involved with anyone else, like say, the Silents?

I believe that that is the implication, given the Doctor's flashback to the little girl from "The Impossible Astronaut."

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The only things I'd add:

I'm sad Dorium and Lorna died. I was kinda hoping Lorna would become a new companion, and Dorium is just way, way too fun.
 
So he managed to stash his grandaughter, his old crib, an unwanted present from his Godmother, and the Hand of Omega on board before he stole the Tardis eh? "Planning to return it" was he?

There was a lot of exposition, but it so makes up for it by facing off what NuWho started with 'What has the Doctor become'. I was hoping that Moffat would take up the idea of the Doctor wanting redemption for the end of the Time War. River's speech questioning the path the Doctor is on points that way I'd say. This really looks to be a season that needs to be rewatched to fully appreciate.

With the shows tendency to keep tryign to top itself with bigger specticles and raising the stakes, I'd like to see them persue this point a lot further.

Unfortunatley I think if they did, we'd end up with a soap opera.
 
So he managed to stash his grandaughter, his old crib, an unwanted present from his Godmother, and the Hand of Omega on board before he stole the Tardis eh? "Planning to return it" was he?


How else do you think he smuggled it aboard? He obviously put the hand of omega in the crib, because no one would look in a rickety old galifreyan crib for the hand of Omega....

Maybe he stole the tardis by going to the Galifreyan U-Haul company and saying he needed it to move into a new house, he paid the deposit but never brought the Tardis back....
 
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