6x07 A Good Man Goes To War (Grade/Discuss) SPOILERS!
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If the flesh can grow a duplicate Doctor by linking with it's mind, what about some flesh linking with river in the library?
The Doctor just need to make a 5 min trip to the core of the library with a bucket of KFC and a hundred "pounds" of flesh.
The KFC is to bribe the Vashda Narada with then download River's DNA and her personality into the flesh have her go into the Tardis to "solidify" her and Bingo, River's Back!
So how come River died without regenerating in the Silence in the Library 2-parter? Admittedly, I do not recall the circumstances surrounding her death.
Aside from the tongue gag, I cracked up most at the "really, you should call her mommy, not big milk thing." line
Being eaten alive means no body left to regenerate......
Come again? I am really out of it this evening, but are any of these references to earlier generations of the Doctor? The crib I know we saw tonight, but the unwanted present? Hand of Omega? Granddaughter?
I suppose from a writing POV, it's possible, but that would completely undermine the entire point of "Forest of the Dead," which is after all a story about loss and mortality. Doing a "River wasn't REALLY lost -- see, they can have new adventures again!" episode would rob it of its power and meaning.
You might as well do an episode where the Doctor goes back in time to Reinette before she died at the end of "The Girl in the Fireplace," healed her up, they had a short fling and decided it didn't work out, and then parted as good friends. It would piss on the dramatic integrity of the original's story and theme.
Cutter John is referring to the Hand of Omega and Susan, from when the Doctor first stole the TARDIS before the original Doctor Who series began. Susan, of course, was his granddaughter who was traveling with the Doctor when they landed in 1963 London, and the Hand of Omega was a Time Lord artifact which the 1988 serial Remembrance of the Daleks revealed had also been stolen by the Doctor and taken to 1963 London just prior to the first episode of the original series.
He is in other words essentially arguing that he finds it implausible that the Doctor would have been able to get numerous personal possessions, such as his old baby crib and a gift from his godmother, aboard the TARDIS along with the Hand of Omega and his granddaughter if he were in the middle of stealing in a rush.
The unwanted present: The Doctor and Vincent, it's the device he used to identify the creature. Gift from a godmother with two heads and really bad breath.
Hand of Omega: Remembrance of the Daleks, 7th Doctor tells Ace about hiding it after arriving at Totter's Lane back in 1963.
Granddaughter: Susan from the very first episode, The UnEarthly Child
I just hope he remembered to bring a towel.
Maybe he cleaned out his family's house when he was the forth incarnation and was president of Galifrey....
Actually, that sentence never appears in "Forest of the Dead."
And, yeah, sure, River and her team had their consciousnesses preserved in the Library's computer core. But that's not quite the same thing as having truly been saved, now is it? To actually quote the episode, it's only half a life.
In essence, Moffat just gave them a science fiction afterlife, that's all. He had the Doctor send River to Heaven. It's a way of presenting a story about death and loss to the child audience while mitigating the emotional effects of such subjects. Sure, they're in the computer core, but they still died, and the Doctor still knows how River is going to die even as he starts falling for her. That's what's going to make it an interesting -- and good -- story, and bringing River back to life would piss on the integrity of "Forest of the Dead."
And peanuts, need peanuts...
I loved most of the episode, so much goodies throughout the story (and I cheered in the 'Danny Boy' scene 
) But, for some reason I found it's not the 5/5 I'd give The Doctor's Wife or Vincent and the Doctor. I think it's because it's when the story confirmed that Melody is the little girl in episode 1, and even at the very beginning when Rory was in Stormcage and River's reaction to him which confirmed who River was.
I think I need to watch the episode again.
Oh, and I feel so bad Dorium is now a headless monk.
btw, Emh, the prequels are not part of the episode, like the prequels to The Impossible Astronaut or the pirate episode.
ETA: there's one thing no one has mentioned yet, at the very end of the credits, who saw a skeleton hand, in the bedrock of some body of water, with a sonic screwdriver. So, presumably, the gangers don't have skeletons, or flesh that will rot before the bones, which means this suppose to imply the Doctor's hand.
) But, for some reason I found it's not the 5/5 I'd give The Doctor's Wife or Vincent and the Doctor. I think it's because it's when the story confirmed that Melody is the little girl in episode 1, and even at the very beginning when Rory was in Stormcage and River's reaction to him which confirmed who River was. I think I need to watch the episode again.
Oh, and I feel so bad Dorium is now a headless monk.
btw, Emh, the prequels are not part of the episode, like the prequels to The Impossible Astronaut or the pirate episode.
ETA: there's one thing no one has mentioned yet, at the very end of the credits, who saw a skeleton hand, in the bedrock of some body of water, with a sonic screwdriver. So, presumably, the gangers don't have skeletons, or flesh that will rot before the bones, which means this suppose to imply the Doctor's hand.
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My friend went back and started rewatching The Time of Angels after this ended. She pointed out that the Doctor said at the beginning of ToA that the museum he and Amy were in were the "final resting place of the Headless Monks."
They briefly mention that in the "Confidential"
River Song has evolved so much
She starts out as "Someone from the Doctor's future". Then Moffat gets the ball rolling and makes Amy Pond who is Scottish etc etc.
She helped shape what Amy Pond is(Fiesty, overly sexual and Scottish.
The candidness of Melody Pond
"I'm a screamer"
Compares with her mom's(Amy) openly sexual nature
-Kissogram and dialogue for Amy
River made Amy/influenced her creation.
But what did Alex mean about the "Names" on the Doctor's crib/cot?
There could have been other babies that used that crib in the past.
You have my deepest, deepest sympathy.
If you mean it isn't available from your usual sources.
If you mean you can't watch it for aesthetic reasons... man up!
