You know, as soon as they got in the TARDIS and left, they probably forgot they even did it.
6x02 Day of the Moon (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!!)
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Well, either they recorded everything or the Doctor remembers making the original plan.
They probably forgot the details, though, and certainly didn't know there was a firefight (although there's a bit of a discrepancy at the end there with River shooting backwards and looking cool, but that wasn't important for the plot).
They probably forgot the details, though, and certainly didn't know there was a firefight (although there's a bit of a discrepancy at the end there with River shooting backwards and looking cool, but that wasn't important for the plot).
Well it does make it slightly problematically as they would be constantly looking for the bad guys who were behind the space-suit and the little girl but forgetting that they had actually met them.
The Doctor should have put one of their heads on a pole in the tardis to make sure.
Wasn't the TARDIS door open? She could've seen him coming up behind her on the TARDIS scanner. It's more or less pointed at the door usually right?
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Actually, that's what I don't get about it.
If true, we have the Silence to thank for us advancing from primitive cave-dwellers who couldn't figure out the whole 'fire' thing and becoming what we are today. Or what we were in 1969 at any rate.
If they were a horribly, irredeemably evil species bent on our destruction, they sure have a funny way of going about it. What with helping us gain sentience, develop society and culture, advance our understanding of the universe, and even encouraging us to go to the moon (apparently, as the Doctor put it, because they needed a space suit, not because they had some nefarious reason for wanting to go to space themselves).
So... why exactly did they suddenly go all 'evil' in 1969? And more importantly, why did they start getting noticed and remembered then and only then?
Heh, of course folks are forgetting about that scene, many have worked very hard to wipe that entire episode from their memory^ And in "Bad Wolf" as well.
And folks so busy whining about the gun shown in the trailer for season 5 where all the Doctor does is shoot the gravity globe, obviously forgot about this scene in "The Doctor's Daughter", where he actually points a gun at the head of a human.
Heh. Yeah, hell knows I've tried!
Well, what happened to the "Family of Blood" was out of character for "Mr No Second Chances" too. Their fates were arguably downright cruel. He didn't kill them but condemned them to an eternity of hell.
I agree, I don't think they're done with the Silents either. It could very well be Eleven's actions in this episode that caused them to blow up his TARDIS for revenge. The problem with the Silents is, how do you know they're gone? You don't remember them unless you're looking directly at them. Are they really gone or have you just forgotten that you've seen one? Since they've been around for millenia they're not likely to pack up and go just because the Doctor asked them to nicely. I think the captured Silent made that clear.
Actually, if true then humanity is only a corruption of what it could have been on its own. Every human achievement would be tainted because the reasons behind it were only to serve the hidden masters. What the Silence essentially did was to enslave the entire human race for literally thousands of years for their own ends, whatever their ends were. How many people, like Joy, died only because it was in the Silents' best interest? How many governments fell, how many people suffered?
No, the Silence are like slavers. Even if some of what they did was beneficial to the human race that was clearly a side effect, not their main goal. Heck, the whole reason the space program even existed was because they needed a space suit. Did WW2 happen only because they needed something?
The episode was very flawed, but, I actually enjoyed Jenny the character (and the actress) and would like to see her returnHeh, of course folks are forgetting about that scene, many have worked very hard to wipe that entire episode from their memory^ And in "Bad Wolf" as well.
And folks so busy whining about the gun shown in the trailer for season 5 where all the Doctor does is shoot the gravity globe, obviously forgot about this scene in "The Doctor's Daughter", where he actually points a gun at the head of a human.
Heh. Yeah, hell knows I've tried!
Actually, wouldn't that be in character for "Mr. No Second Chances"?
I know what you mean, Ten never really was the man he claimed to be in The Christmas Invasion, at least not after that. And that's why he also gave the Family of Blood a chance but they refused and then, they had hell to pay.I think you're touching on a fundamental problem with them. It's a great idea for a monster - something that is there but that you forget when you don't see it. Once again, they're using a fundamental fear very well. But of course, that does pose the question of how you can fight it or even interact with it in a meaningful way. I don't think Moffat solved this problem well. For example, how did they know what they were fighting at all? Did they record messages summarising the problem for themselves or wrote it down somewhere, like the protagonist in Memento? If the Silents can be recorded, wouldn't they start showing up in pictures and home or surveillance videos? And wouldn't that cause some uproar?
The story could have been a lot clearer and more detailed on a number of plot points, I think. But maybe we'll find out what happened in the three months we didn't see later in this series.
Did he? I must have missed that. But wouldn't his solution to the problem only be temporary, then? At one point, the footage hidden in the moon landing recording would have faded and people would stop killing the Silents on sight.
Any information about them deletes itself... In which case the moon landing would disappear, wouldn't it?
I think that's part of the problem for me. On one level, it's so complex it just begs you to explore, think and over-think it. But when you do, it all falls apart in your fingers. Either be less complicated or be more cohesive.
Does it delete itself or do they just come along and delete it themselves?
As far as showing up in recordings this might fit well with the 1969 time frame. Even in 1969 it should've been possible to stay out of the way of any cameras. From 1969 on cameras of all types become more and more ubiquitous with a huge exponential spike in the 2000s. These days they'd just about have to be constantly underground or gone. That's how we know they're more-or-less gone now.
Of course, all that only works if the Silence are manually removing written and photographic records of themselves.
Deletes itself, the Doctor said that's why they could remember or get a plan together without someone to refresh the information.
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