6x02 Day of the Moon (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!!)

[EyalM]

So would people keep finding and forgetting about Silence corpses all around them?

If I were the silence and there were a whole race out there programmed to kill me on site, I'd go give some alien race the idea to wipe out Earth...

Also, I think the little girl is the Doctor and River's daughter. River was also feeling ill (like Amy) and apparently was already intimate with the Doctor. It all fits, kind of...

 

[Lonemagpie]

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Cons: Rory’s jealously is getting tedious..

I'm hoping they did that here to sort of put some closure on it, and not have any more of it.

 

[Lonemagpie]

I don't think that the point was to turn them in murders (because well it isn't murder to kill enemy soldiers) rather to make the humans force the Silence off planet..

Except that the Doctor made a point of saying that billions of humans would be going into space for billions of years and they'd all have seen that clip. "For a thousand generations you'll be ordering them to kill you every day" he says...

 

[SG-17]

I don't think that the point was to turn them in murders (because well it isn't murder to kill enemy soldiers) rather to make the humans force the Silence off planet..

Except that the Doctor made a point of saying that billions of humans would be going into space for billions of years and they'd all have seen that clip. "Four a thousand generations you'll be ordering them to kill you every day" he says...

Well I think that is because the Silence are driven off of the Earth and humans keep encountering them. Of they exist everywhere. It would explain why Prisoner Zero and the Saturians (spelling?) knew what they were.

 

[Gov Kodos]

It was a fun episode with more questions than answers. I hope it will wrap up well, but I can understand folks like Revdkathy not wanting to plow through an entire season to hopefully have the story tied up at last.
Quick thoughts: Amy and Rory, I don't mind the insecurity angle but it could get overused far too easily. Amy does have a habit of not telling the whole truth much like the Doctor.

Amy's maybe pregnancy: Could it be something that is in temporal flux? There was a picture of Amy holding the child but it doesn't have to be hers, she could be aunty for the Doctor and River's child. She should know the beginning of how the story gets to the point at the lake, she's just catching up with the ending at that part. That would explain the 'Of course not' line but not its full meaning. Assuming the season ender explains the outset.

I really enjoyed it and am looking forward to the pirates next week.

 

[Lonemagpie]

And what's with the woman with the Seven Of Nine eyewear, who looks in, says Amy is dreaming, and disappears?

 

[Gov Kodos]

And what's with the woman with the Seven Of Nine eyewear, who looks in, says Amy is dreaming, and disappears?

That is quite a non sequitor, I hope that it gets explained. The door is solid for the rest of the episode's use of it. Amy does get told later by a Silence that she had been in their keeping for days. Was that true or a suggestion by the silence? Was the set of pictures in implanted memory or real? The door bit may have been her subconscious fighting the silence suggestion?

The girl, is she a Timelord or does exposure to the Tardis and the vortex during a pregnancy affect the genes making regeneration possible? I am guessing Timelords weren't always the regenerating cats we know today. Was the regeneration something acquired or developed under Rasilon. I don't recall if the old series ever addressed that.

 

[SG-17]

I'm betting that the little girl who can regenerate is River.

 

[DAK]

Loved it!! Looks like the swimming pool turned up. And the Doctor got a new sonic, yay!

I really wish River had gone with them. I can't imagine what promise she made that would make her stay in prison, but I look forward to finding out! I'd love to see the guards faces when she keeps turning up after escaping.

I love the arc of the show. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I survived watching Babylon 5 on its original run, so I like trying to figure out what's going to happen and see how it all eventually fits together.

I wonder what posters on other forums are saying about the Doctor once again kissing a woman in a non-platonic way. Given the build-up, I actually think that any objections will be pretty lukewarm.

Given Matt Smith's very well-acted "don't know where to put my hands" awkwardness in that scene, I don't think anyone will mind so much - Moff seems to be building him as "rubbish with girls" since Amy's seduction attempt and his comments in A Christmas Carol.

All he needs is a bit of practice. Actually, he looked like he was getting into it there for a moment before he realized what he was doing. River's expression when he left was heartbreaking.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Amy does get told later by a Silence that she had been in their keeping for days.

My bet about the pregnancy and the little girl is that the Silence kept Amy there not for days but for months, at least nine, and she doesn't remember. She was pregnant, she gave birth, she possibly cared for her child (there's where the pictures came from).

Maybe The Silence used the proto-TARDIS to go back 9 months in time (or more) with Amy, let her carry and bear her child, then she went to kill the Doctor in the future, right before younger Amy shot her? Doesn't make much sense, but everything seems to suggest that.

There were also allusions that Amy lived with her daughter for a long time in the room where they were locked together, which make everything a lot more confusing.

When I try to piece it together, I get the feeling that a lot of the details and events were just thrown in there without a way to connect them all, especially that old women that said “No, I think she's just dreaming” – that doesn't fit anything that I can conjure up, unless Amy was really dreaming. I hope that this is not the case, and we get it fully untangled at some point.

I have more trouble with the “why” questions though – why the Silence need a child, why they need Amy's child, why use it to kill the Doctor and why kill the Doctor, and why kill him in the future, why kill an older version of him, and why does the old Doctor thought it was important?

A possible explanation is that the child was supposed to kill the Doctor as ploy to prevent him from stopping the Silence, but he tricked her into killing his older self, but that goes beyond sanity.

 

[Gov Kodos]

I am starting to tire a little of the 'out of sequence' time traveler trope that Moffat is so fond of. It was fun in the big bang, as well as in reference as was done in 'Doctor and Vincent' or 'The Lodger' but carrying it out over a whole series is just going to the well one too many times. The clever is in danger of becoming cliche, if it hasn't already for some.

 

[DimesDan]

And the Doctor got a new sonic, yay!

He had one last week:

 

[Mitty]

It was very busy. Definitely need to watch it again. I'm still confused as to what happened after Amy shot the Astronaut/little girl. And why were the FBI chasing them all in the first place? And had they been running for three months? How did the TARDIS end up in that prison?

Who is the little girl? I'm guessing we won't find out until the end of the season.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

It was very busy. Definitely need to watch it again. I'm still confused as to what happened after Amy shot the Astronaut/little girl. And why were the FBI chasing them all in the first place? And had they been running for three months? How did the TARDIS end up in that prison?

I believe that most of that happened “cause it's cool” and won't be resolved. A lot of things happened that lead to the discovery that there are aliens that they can't remember. They constructed a way to test the hypothesis and then a way to find how many of those aliens live around us. What really happened isn't all that interesting to show, but it's interesting to think about, so they just made it a “three months later” and you can use your imagination. The FBI thing was just for fun. But it's not completely unreasonable – they got into some trouble with the feds and/or Delaware and Nixon were having trouble hiding what was going on, so Delaware decided to lock them all up.

How did the feds get hold of degenerate matter though?

 

[Count Zero]

I really liked Nixon in this one. He came off as rather sympathetic and him having to clean up the Doctor's mess, so to speak, was funny. I chuckled when the gay agenda was back with a vengeance.

 

[SG-17]

It feels like the next event in (this episode) River's timeline is Silence in the Library.

 

[Procutus]

And what's with the woman with the Seven Of Nine eyewear, who looks in, says Amy is dreaming, and disappears?

Oh, I can't wait to get to that. It's 8:45 P.M. here in Cleveland, Part 2 starts in 15 minutes.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

It feels like the next event in (this episode) River's timeline is Silence in the Library.

No, because they haven't done the Singing Towers yet, and that came before the Library, where the Doctor gave her the sonic and cried.

I suspect you're referring to the kiss, and River's reaction to it, and some on Gallifrey Base (that wretched hive of scum and villainy) are taking it to mean that because it's the Doctor's first kiss with River, it's River's last kiss with the Doctor.

There's another more sensible conclusion.

River has seen the Doctor's death. She knows when he dies. Therefore, she also knows when the Doctor kisses her for the last time in his life. And now, only a few months (her time) later, she knows when he kisses her for the first time.

I don't think she's mourning for herself and that she won't kiss him ever again, though she does know that a day will come when she won't. (Witness her heart-to-heart with Rory in "Impossible Astronaut.") I think she's grieving for the Doctor and mourning what he's going to lose.

That makes more sense than to assume that the Doctor and River are always and only moving in opposite directions from one another.

 

[Australis]

I chuckled when the gay agenda was back with a vengeance.

Yeah, teh ghey agenda returns!

Lots of complaints about 'genocide' etc. No. The Doctor was forcing the Silence to run every time the human race turns up. And that has to happen, otherwise the Silence would just take over humanity again.

Rory remembering Rome. I think, my impression is, that he's not plastic, but those memories bleed through from that time. In a way, a number of time lines have been combined, but I don't want to go into that now.

The lady at the peephole with the patch (who gets a mention in the credits)? I reckon she'll be back.

Nixon. Now we know what the missing minutes are about. Loved how any time he walked in we got the first bars of 'Hail To The Chief'.

River is so the Doctor's wife. It's a tragedy their lives are so out of sequence.

Why did the Silent in the TARDIS say to Amy, "You will bring the Silence"?

That Doctor and River flirting was kinda hot. They're good actors. And River is damned dangerous with a weapon in her hand! Must be from the Indiana School of Archaeology. "Love a tomb."

Admit to tearing up a little when Amy told Rory who she really loved.

And the TARDIS in The Lodger is suddenly explained. Dead Silents, abandoned ship looking for a pilot. Wow, that's a callback.

And wow, did NOT see the final scene with the girl coming! That left me gobsmacked!. The suit in the lake may not be her.

And that suit. Who actually made it?

Question: Prisoner Zero, in 2010, talks about the Silence, long after 1969. What's that about?

More thoughts as they occur.

 

[Procutus]

Holy shit! What a bizarre opening! The Doctor with a beard!