An excellent completion to an eminently rewatchable two-parter for me.
6x02 Day of the Moon (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!!)
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That was better, though the "three months later" concept basically means they've managed to skip half the story. How did everybody end up where they were? WTF? In fact this episode would have worked just as well, frankly, without last week's....
So, let me get this straight - the Doctor has just hypnotically programmed the human race to commit genocide? I love it, it's clever, but... isn't it sort of totally antethical to all his peacenik values? WTF?
And then he's just not interested in finding out who the little girl was? Most unlike him.
Obviously there are are a lot of unanswered questions meant to be addressed over the season - where do the Silence come from? What's with their proto-TARDISes? Is Amy up the duff or not? - but there are also some that seem to have just ended up slipping through the cracks - is Rory meant to be human or plastic now? And am I mistaken in thinking he snogged River last season, despite claiming tonight to have never done it before? (I don;t have the season 5 DVDs yet and am going on memory!)
Speculation- obviously (well, most likely. I suppose it's possible that at some point they find her as a baby and she has the picture taken, though the baby is actually someone else's...) the little girl is Rory and Amy's daughter, which suggests an answer to that question above. Regenerating? I'm guessing that - given she used exactly the same words as the Doctor in part 1 - this is something to do with the regeneration that the Doctor got killed in the middle of. And that he'll know that (possibly she's even him). Either that or she's going to be Idris in Gaiman's episode (an old friend with a new face, which everybody has taken to mean someone from the classic series)
There's reports from filming that River is actually Amy's daughter (though Moffat previously denied he'd do that), in which case the little girl is River... or her sister, bearing in mind that the description of her first meeting with him wouldn't fit what happened last week.
Then again, given the pos/neg indecision of the TARDIS scanner as to whether Amy's pregnant, perhaps one result means a little girl now to kill the Doctor, and the other means River in the future...
Anyway, it was a good exciting fun, everybody was great in it, and next week's looks fab.
I bet the DW forums are descending into a mire of bullshit right about now though, over that tag scene.
8/10
So, let me get this straight - the Doctor has just hypnotically programmed the human race to commit genocide? I love it, it's clever, but... isn't it sort of totally antethical to all his peacenik values? WTF?
And then he's just not interested in finding out who the little girl was? Most unlike him.
Obviously there are are a lot of unanswered questions meant to be addressed over the season - where do the Silence come from? What's with their proto-TARDISes? Is Amy up the duff or not? - but there are also some that seem to have just ended up slipping through the cracks - is Rory meant to be human or plastic now? And am I mistaken in thinking he snogged River last season, despite claiming tonight to have never done it before? (I don;t have the season 5 DVDs yet and am going on memory!)
Speculation- obviously (well, most likely. I suppose it's possible that at some point they find her as a baby and she has the picture taken, though the baby is actually someone else's...) the little girl is Rory and Amy's daughter, which suggests an answer to that question above. Regenerating? I'm guessing that - given she used exactly the same words as the Doctor in part 1 - this is something to do with the regeneration that the Doctor got killed in the middle of. And that he'll know that (possibly she's even him). Either that or she's going to be Idris in Gaiman's episode (an old friend with a new face, which everybody has taken to mean someone from the classic series)
There's reports from filming that River is actually Amy's daughter (though Moffat previously denied he'd do that), in which case the little girl is River... or her sister, bearing in mind that the description of her first meeting with him wouldn't fit what happened last week.
Then again, given the pos/neg indecision of the TARDIS scanner as to whether Amy's pregnant, perhaps one result means a little girl now to kill the Doctor, and the other means River in the future...
Anyway, it was a good exciting fun, everybody was great in it, and next week's looks fab.
I bet the DW forums are descending into a mire of bullshit right about now though, over that tag scene.
8/10
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He's committed genocide before. But I don't see it that way here. The Silence can escape, he's just made it dangerous and untenable to remain on Earth.
Lots unanswered. I think the characters have forgotten lots due to the mind wipe effects of the Silence and they will get flashbacks over the rest of the season.
Agree too many characters to keep track of.
And when humanity makes its way to the stars, with a "kill the Silents on sight" meme...?
They have proto-TARDISes. I doubt we're that much of a threat, just enough that their plans for Earth are scuppered.
I'm really not sure what to make of that episode at all. I loved last weeks, but this week has way too many dangling threads, from the 3 month gap, to what exactly will happen with the Silence, Amy's pregnancy, the regenerating girl, the River confusion over the kiss, etc. It all came together to throw me. May be that at the end of the series I'll look back and think how brilliantly it was all set up, but right now, I feel a bit disappointed and wary of where this is going.
i thought it was brilliant, but there's clearly more going on than we know.
that indecision over Amy's pregnancy reminded me of the computer's indecision over her in The Beast Below.
that indecision over Amy's pregnancy reminded me of the computer's indecision over her in The Beast Below.
I gave it "kinda kewl", though maybe if marking out of ten I'd give it a seven. May have to rewatch to assess it better. Liked the slightly slower pace and the Amy/Rory/Doctor not-a-love-triangle. The insertion in the moon landing video was a bit cheeky from Moffatt but audacious brilliance from the Doctor.
I wonder what posters on other forums are saying about the Doctor once again kissing a woman in a non-platonic way. Given the build-up, I actually think that any objections will be pretty lukewarm. Also, River pretty much confirms that the Doctor's her paramour, referring to him as "my old man" or words to that effect. Interesting.
So, does anyone think that River was referring to this adventure in The Big Bang when she said that everything would change and that she was sorry? Maybe she thought that he'd already experienced this, or maybe this adventure is post-Big Bang for her and she used the vortex manipulator to get to Utah.
I wonder what posters on other forums are saying about the Doctor once again kissing a woman in a non-platonic way. Given the build-up, I actually think that any objections will be pretty lukewarm. Also, River pretty much confirms that the Doctor's her paramour, referring to him as "my old man" or words to that effect. Interesting.
So, does anyone think that River was referring to this adventure in The Big Bang when she said that everything would change and that she was sorry? Maybe she thought that he'd already experienced this, or maybe this adventure is post-Big Bang for her and she used the vortex manipulator to get to Utah.
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Given Matt Smith's very well-acted "don't know where to put my hands" awkwardness in that scene, I don't think anyone will mind so much - Moff seems to be building him as "rubbish with girls" since Amy's seduction attempt and his comments in A Christmas Carol.
I took her to mean in "The Big Bang" the adventure where he finds out exactly who she is.
Though I've not seen "Day of the Moon" yet, I've taken "The Impossible Astronaut" to be, in River's timeline, after "The Big Bang," because she's aware of who Amy and Rory are, as she didn't recognize the latter in "The Big Bang" and she felt comfortable enough with Rory as a person to be able to confide in him her fears about her relationship with the Doctor. In short, the River of "Astronaut" knows Rory, while the River of "Big Bang" didn't.
Firstly and foremostly, my fears that these episodes (and possibly the entire sixth season) were pandering to the American Market are completely and utterly misguided after watching Day of the Moon. Okay, I didn't watch it when BBC One first broadcast it earlier but just finished watching on iplayer just now and it was abso-fucking-lutely brilliant.
Yes there are questions, like who the fuck was the child, is Amy Pregnant or not (my Girlfriend hopes she is - she wants a "who baby") plus a few more I've forgotten.
The opening before the credits was brilliant, I think if both episodes were shown in one broadcast, it would have lost some of it's impact, yes the three months later thing was a bit superfluous to the plot, it was a good twist, one I didn't actually realise until "Badger" closed the door of the supercage.
I will have to watch it again and also get some of my thoughts into a more linear sense when it comes to saying more on DotM, the Regen at the end was a curve ball with me shouting at my lappy "who the fuck is she, only Time Lords can regenerate" and even though it may seem strange that the Doctor may not be interested in who the child was, in The Big Bang, he didn't seem that interested who blew his TARDIS up, although he did go off and stop so random Egyptian God on the Orient Express. (in Space)
One thing I really did love, was Amy and Rory, they seem so happy together, even though, like Rory I thought she meant the Doctor when she referred to one of them as stupid face and you think I should love the other one when she was being held captive.
I think waiting till the end of the year for some of these answers and going back to these events (which to be honest is going to happen given Moffats writing MO) will be a very long time coming.
Yes there are questions, like who the fuck was the child, is Amy Pregnant or not (my Girlfriend hopes she is - she wants a "who baby") plus a few more I've forgotten.
The opening before the credits was brilliant, I think if both episodes were shown in one broadcast, it would have lost some of it's impact, yes the three months later thing was a bit superfluous to the plot, it was a good twist, one I didn't actually realise until "Badger" closed the door of the supercage.
I will have to watch it again and also get some of my thoughts into a more linear sense when it comes to saying more on DotM, the Regen at the end was a curve ball with me shouting at my lappy "who the fuck is she, only Time Lords can regenerate" and even though it may seem strange that the Doctor may not be interested in who the child was, in The Big Bang, he didn't seem that interested who blew his TARDIS up, although he did go off and stop so random Egyptian God on the Orient Express. (in Space)
One thing I really did love, was Amy and Rory, they seem so happy together, even though, like Rory I thought she meant the Doctor when she referred to one of them as stupid face and you think I should love the other one when she was being held captive.
I think waiting till the end of the year for some of these answers and going back to these events (which to be honest is going to happen given Moffats writing MO) will be a very long time coming.
Speculation: Could the Silents have taken something from Amy at one point? Come to think of it, given the existence of the proto-TARDIS and that photo, maybe she's more than three months older.
Also, if this is after episode seven for River and it's been speculated that maybe she's pregnant...
Nah.
Also, if this is after episode seven for River and it's been speculated that maybe she's pregnant...
Nah.
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Well, I'll be honest and say I didn't like it. A couple of people have asked me what I thought, and I'm not sure I know that yet (I'd want to see it again to know what I think). But my feeling is that I didn't like it. I've tried to analyse why.
* Too fast and hoppy. I actually wondered if I'd missed a couple of scenes when it started suddenly 3 months on from last week's and without ever explaining how it got from a to b. There seemed to be a lot of that - stuff just left out and a sense of it being an effort to keep up.
* Too much effort. I don't mind TV shows that make me work, but in the end I watch for entertainment. My day job takes all my mental energy, I don't need TV to have the same effect. This was hard work.
* I don't really care. For the first time since Doctor Who came back, I find I don't care. I stopped watching Classic Who (somewhere in the McCoy years, I think) because I found I no longer cared. Enterprise lost me in its second season, I never finished the first season of SG Atlantis. I need to care. There are too many unknowns about the characters - who is River? Who is the child? What does the Doctor know about his death? Is Amy pregnant? Is Rory plastic? It's just a bit too much uncertainty, and I find I switched off emotionally as a result.
* I find I don't trust Moffat. In classic Who you could be certain the story would be wound up at the end of the 4 or 6 episodes. It was genuinely serial, but each story had closure. With RTD's Who, you had single stories in one (or occasionally two) episodes, and the story 'arc' was so subtle you could in fact be oblivious to it until the end of the season. And then you could be sure it would all tie up, usually with a big bang and the kitchen sink. Moffat has already dragged his arc across from one season to another - and I don't trust him to tie up these lose ends at the end of this one. What's the betting that by the end of ep 13 we still don't know why the Doctor got killed, or who the child is, or how River knew the Doctor's name? And he'll be expecting that we'll come back for another series for those answers. I don't trust him, and a large part of me wants to opt out now before I get cheated of closure again.
I will watch this again, and see if I like it any better. But I am feeling that I don't really want to watch this series.
* Too fast and hoppy. I actually wondered if I'd missed a couple of scenes when it started suddenly 3 months on from last week's and without ever explaining how it got from a to b. There seemed to be a lot of that - stuff just left out and a sense of it being an effort to keep up.
* Too much effort. I don't mind TV shows that make me work, but in the end I watch for entertainment. My day job takes all my mental energy, I don't need TV to have the same effect. This was hard work.
* I don't really care. For the first time since Doctor Who came back, I find I don't care. I stopped watching Classic Who (somewhere in the McCoy years, I think) because I found I no longer cared. Enterprise lost me in its second season, I never finished the first season of SG Atlantis. I need to care. There are too many unknowns about the characters - who is River? Who is the child? What does the Doctor know about his death? Is Amy pregnant? Is Rory plastic? It's just a bit too much uncertainty, and I find I switched off emotionally as a result.
* I find I don't trust Moffat. In classic Who you could be certain the story would be wound up at the end of the 4 or 6 episodes. It was genuinely serial, but each story had closure. With RTD's Who, you had single stories in one (or occasionally two) episodes, and the story 'arc' was so subtle you could in fact be oblivious to it until the end of the season. And then you could be sure it would all tie up, usually with a big bang and the kitchen sink. Moffat has already dragged his arc across from one season to another - and I don't trust him to tie up these lose ends at the end of this one. What's the betting that by the end of ep 13 we still don't know why the Doctor got killed, or who the child is, or how River knew the Doctor's name? And he'll be expecting that we'll come back for another series for those answers. I don't trust him, and a large part of me wants to opt out now before I get cheated of closure again.
I will watch this again, and see if I like it any better. But I am feeling that I don't really want to watch this series.
The sum of the parts was better than the whole, which existed more to support the arc than as a episode in its own right.
Pros: River flirting, fighting and jumping into swimming pools. Amy investigating the children’s home was creepy. Little Girl suddenly regenerating was unexpected. Using the Silences own words and subliminal message technique against them was brilliant and inspired. Nixon taking everything in his stride from aliens, inter-dimensional travel to inter-racial gay marriage. The quality of the series seems to have improved.
Cons: Rory’s jealously is getting tedious. A sudden three month jump to avoid the cliff-hanger. Ignoring the main characters death. The Doctor using one of Humanity’s greatest moments to turn the Human race into mass murderers who didn’t even remember the genocide they committed is dark and abusive even for this Doctor (who got upset about hurting one space whale) and asks the question, when The Doctor (and the viewers) met Rose, Martha, Donna, Wilf (and any other Human-after 1969) – were they all serial murderers?
It was kind of Brilliant, but also left strange and unpleasant aftertaste.
Pros: River flirting, fighting and jumping into swimming pools. Amy investigating the children’s home was creepy. Little Girl suddenly regenerating was unexpected. Using the Silences own words and subliminal message technique against them was brilliant and inspired. Nixon taking everything in his stride from aliens, inter-dimensional travel to inter-racial gay marriage. The quality of the series seems to have improved.
Cons: Rory’s jealously is getting tedious. A sudden three month jump to avoid the cliff-hanger. Ignoring the main characters death. The Doctor using one of Humanity’s greatest moments to turn the Human race into mass murderers who didn’t even remember the genocide they committed is dark and abusive even for this Doctor (who got upset about hurting one space whale) and asks the question, when The Doctor (and the viewers) met Rose, Martha, Donna, Wilf (and any other Human-after 1969) – were they all serial murderers?
It was kind of Brilliant, but also left strange and unpleasant aftertaste.
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I wonder if now at the end of this has the Doctor's action here caused the Silents to Fall - which may in fact be a bad thing in the long run for Earth.
I thought it a really episode. Yes there's a lot going on but isn't it better too much than too little. There were great moments for all of the characters and River Song is just awesome, fantastic and get out a thesaurus for all of the rest to describe her. The last scene with her and the Doctor I think points to the fact that the timeline is going to get very mucked up [as if it weren't already] - the fact she's confused that this hasn't before [the kiss] makes me think that something down the line for the doctor - but 'happened already' for River - actually doesn't happen the way it should.
Lots of questions arise from this. I'm not going to let the little things like what happened in the three months and all of that be what defines the episode because the other questions are what really matter for the continuing story.
I thought it a really episode. Yes there's a lot going on but isn't it better too much than too little. There were great moments for all of the characters and River Song is just awesome, fantastic and get out a thesaurus for all of the rest to describe her. The last scene with her and the Doctor I think points to the fact that the timeline is going to get very mucked up [as if it weren't already] - the fact she's confused that this hasn't before [the kiss] makes me think that something down the line for the doctor - but 'happened already' for River - actually doesn't happen the way it should.
Lots of questions arise from this. I'm not going to let the little things like what happened in the three months and all of that be what defines the episode because the other questions are what really matter for the continuing story.
That's how I saw it aswell, yes some might be killed, but on the whole, it's an incentive to stay away.
I didn't like the fake out scenes
"Oh are Amy and Rory dead?"
NOPE!
"Oh is the little girl dead after being shot by Amy?!"
NOPE!
to be fair the last was given away in part 2's preview.
"Oh are Amy and Rory dead?"
NOPE!
"Oh is the little girl dead after being shot by Amy?!"
NOPE!
to be fair the last was given away in part 2's preview.
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