maybe this is something downfall Hitler could rant about
6.5x08 Let's Kill Hitler (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!!)
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Loved it. Especially in light of the craptastic Torchwood.
Watched it with a couple friends. Rolled our eyes at the utter cheese of Rory driving around the corn field, Amy spinning the map this way and that giving directions and oooh... in the end, it spelled "Doctor". What a steaming pile that scene was.
Hmm. Hitler apparently has no guards. No heavily armed Nazis within shouting distance to hear the Tardis crash through the window, or the the gun shots. No-one comes to investigate as the Doctor and River stand there one-upping each other. More bullshit.
River walks into a restaurant filled with very wealthy, no doubt influential Germans civilians and Nazi brass, has them all strip and gets to try on their clothes and our heroes have all the time in the world. No SS storming the place. No Panzers just knocking the frigging walls down. Well, I suppose there could have been force fields around Hitler's office and the restaurant that I missed hearing about.
Those three things really stood out as stupid. That being said, really did like the "evil River" bit. That worked well. Alex Kingston made this episode work for me where other parts failed. And I really wish it was Idris instead of holo-reproductions of past companions and little Amelia.
Hmm. Hitler apparently has no guards. No heavily armed Nazis within shouting distance to hear the Tardis crash through the window, or the the gun shots. No-one comes to investigate as the Doctor and River stand there one-upping each other. More bullshit.
River walks into a restaurant filled with very wealthy, no doubt influential Germans civilians and Nazi brass, has them all strip and gets to try on their clothes and our heroes have all the time in the world. No SS storming the place. No Panzers just knocking the frigging walls down. Well, I suppose there could have been force fields around Hitler's office and the restaurant that I missed hearing about.
Those three things really stood out as stupid. That being said, really did like the "evil River" bit. That worked well. Alex Kingston made this episode work for me where other parts failed. And I really wish it was Idris instead of holo-reproductions of past companions and little Amelia.
Didn't the robot say the room was "sound screened"? Which to me implies that sound can't go in and out of the room? Something the robot did to prevent interruptions by guards.
So. Not bullshit. Technobabble. YMMV.
Covers not hearing Hitler's gunshots perhaps, preventing sound from leaving the room but shouldn't cover troops outside the building hearing the crash or looking up and seeing a gaping whole in the wall.
I fully, yet didn't, expect Mels to be River. It was still a treat. But holy shit, was this a gut-wrenching exercise! And it explains why there was no hope of her regenerating in the Library. Kudos to Moffat, because the rat bastard got to me. Again.
True. But... Yeah, got nothing. It didn't bother me like it did you. The pace helped ignore that, and again, in comparison to the real bullshit Torchwood has become, this is genius.
Well, it didn't bother me as much as it might sound. I do consider it a rather big hole, that and the restaurant bit and ones easily fixed by a forcefield, perception field, etc, just an extra line of dialogue but like I said, River made this work for me. And Rory decking Hitler, while cheese, was good cheese.
And compared to TW, yeah, this one came up aces.
I enjoyed this a hell of a lot. Damn good. Plain fun!
Didn't see Mels and River coming.
People complaining about tiny people in a robot: I read a novel called 'Gold the Man' by Joseph Green back in the 70s. The idea has been a round a long time, so it didn't faze me - enjoyed it in fact. The effect for morphing the robot was pretty good too. Not worried about guards - aside from the sound shield, this is also 1938, before Germany was actually at war.
Mels must have regenerated between the alley in 1969 and meeting Amy in the late 80s/early 90s.
Did she give a set number of regenerations to the Doctor, or just all her regeneration energy to bring him back to life? A question for later.
And we're still no closer to the person in the spacesuit issue.
Didn't see Mels and River coming.
People complaining about tiny people in a robot: I read a novel called 'Gold the Man' by Joseph Green back in the 70s. The idea has been a round a long time, so it didn't faze me - enjoyed it in fact. The effect for morphing the robot was pretty good too. Not worried about guards - aside from the sound shield, this is also 1938, before Germany was actually at war.
Mels must have regenerated between the alley in 1969 and meeting Amy in the late 80s/early 90s.
Did she give a set number of regenerations to the Doctor, or just all her regeneration energy to bring him back to life? A question for later.
And we're still no closer to the person in the spacesuit issue.
I think some of you are perhaps forgetting Regeneration Sickness. The Doctor has always been a little batshit and off the rails directly after regeneration.
Young River is going to calm down once her body sorts itself out.
Young River is going to calm down once her body sorts itself out.
You think it's Sinclair, but they fake us out and it's really Delenn.
That was nifty!
The animated scene BBC America showed during the first commercial break was kinda cool, but I can see why it wasn't filmed; the f/x would have blown the budget.
My, that was mad! My brain has such a hard time with predestination paradoxes. I sometimes wish there were a few more sober moments but I've been trying to roll with the Moffat train. It's different...
So has the entire eye-patch lady story played out? Just seemed like it was going to be a bigger/longer thing.
I didn't catch why the Doctor himself didn't regenerate. Was that some property of that particular poison?
Anyone see the animatic sequences that aired during the ad breaks (maybe on Confidential in the UK?)? Those were brilliant, I thought that was better than some of the animated specials they've had.
I have to agree with some of my fellow posters regarding Alex Kingston's sexiness. She's really grown on me.
Did Dick Jones design that security system in the morphobot?
So has the entire eye-patch lady story played out? Just seemed like it was going to be a bigger/longer thing.
I didn't catch why the Doctor himself didn't regenerate. Was that some property of that particular poison?
Anyone see the animatic sequences that aired during the ad breaks (maybe on Confidential in the UK?)? Those were brilliant, I thought that was better than some of the animated specials they've had.
I have to agree with some of my fellow posters regarding Alex Kingston's sexiness. She's really grown on me.
Did Dick Jones design that security system in the morphobot?
Ditto that. I think the purpose of this ep was to be fast moving enough so that you wouldn't dwell on all the holes in the story that were large enough to hide combined fleets of the Daleks, Cybermen and Sontarrans. It just kept going relentlessly in an attempt to drag the viewer with it.
Still... It was fairly entertaining and Alex worked her butt off to make the whole thing work. While it was probably the best ep of S6 thus far, I still prefer S1-4 over this. The show has nice little nods to the past, but it feels less and less like Doctor Who with each passing ep.