True, and I guess 51st Century technology could have given him a new hand before we met him, but seriously isn't the simplest explanation that the VM and the arm, belonged to AN Other Time Agent?
5x012 The Pandorica Opens (Grading/Discussion) SPOILERS!!
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True, and I guess 51st Century technology could have given him a new hand before we met him, but seriously isn't the simplest explanation that the VM and the arm, belonged to AN Other Time Agent?
It could be. The handsome part is what made me think Jack and I thought if he lost his wrist he could grow it back maybe. Maybe this is immortal Jack joining the time agency again after his time in torchwood.
So the Doctor's enemy is Glenn Miller?
Not just the Doctor, but the whole universe.
Glenn Miller is everyone's enemy.
I don't think so. It was the Cybermen who claimed their interest in the crack was that it would eat alternate universes, too.
Cybermen are Cybermen are Cybermen. The differences are trivial.
Yes, they constructed a scenario from Amy's memories, but it seems as though everything hinges on Vincent putting the coordinates in the painting to start with. If not for the painting, would The Doctor have gone at all?
Am I being really thick, again? I would not be surprised if I am, TBH.
The Doctor mentioned that Stonehenge was a giant transmitter, sending out "The Pandorica is opening here and now" throughout time and space. He (wrongly) assumed that's what brought the Associated Guild of Doctor-Haters there, and (correctly) assumed that Vincent's psychic sensitivity and familiarity with the Doctor let him pick up on it. If Vincent hadn't picked up on it, sooner or later, someone else would've, and the message would've found it's way back to the Doctor. Much like the Home Box in "The Time of Angels," it doesn't matter if a message to the Doctor gets there the minute you send it or 12,000 years later or, for that matter, before he even meets you in his own timestream. Tell him where and when, and he'll be there.
It was really only now because he had the sudden whim to read the oldest words in the universe. He'd probably heard about them since he was a youth, could've visited at any time in his life and ended up in the Pandorica. For that matter, he's probably heard of the Pandorica as a bedtime story, too. Wonder how much Little Doctor's mind would've been blown when he found out he was going to grow up to be the monster locked inside.
Didn't they visit stonehenge in SJA?
Yeah for all intents and purposes, I think we're basically supposed to accept them as just "the Cybermen" now.
Their new origin hardly ever gets brought up anymore, and by this point they've become their own, independent thing, so there's probably no point in replacing them.
I agree. At the very least there's the potential for one good episode.
Those "trivial differences" are why they aren't the same.
The Cyberman are based off the fear of body part replacement. Mondasians used cybernetic implants for self-preservation when there race started to die out and went a little over board and in the process lost there emotions and became Cyberman. They're a humanoid (head, torso, and partial limbs) in a cybernetic suit.
The Cybusmen are the standard "Mad Man wants to make a super race" type thing. The were created in a ripoff "Genesis of the Daleks" type story. They're made by a nut in a fancey wheelchair just like the Daleks. They're nothing more than a brain chucked in a robot body that has an emotion supressor.
no they didnt, that was just some random stone circle, and the Doctor was not beneath it.Yes, they constructed a scenario from Amy's memories, but it seems as though everything hinges on Vincent putting the coordinates in the painting to start with. If not for the painting, would The Doctor have gone at all?
Am I being really thick, again? I would not be surprised if I am, TBH.
The Doctor mentioned that Stonehenge was a giant transmitter, sending out "The Pandorica is opening here and now" throughout time and space. He (wrongly) assumed that's what brought the Associated Guild of Doctor-Haters there, and (correctly) assumed that Vincent's psychic sensitivity and familiarity with the Doctor let him pick up on it. If Vincent hadn't picked up on it, sooner or later, someone else would've, and the message would've found it's way back to the Doctor. Much like the Home Box in "The Time of Angels," it doesn't matter if a message to the Doctor gets there the minute you send it or 12,000 years later or, for that matter, before he even meets you in his own timestream. Tell him where and when, and he'll be there.
It was really only now because he had the sudden whim to read the oldest words in the universe. He'd probably heard about them since he was a youth, could've visited at any time in his life and ended up in the Pandorica. For that matter, he's probably heard of the Pandorica as a bedtime story, too. Wonder how much Little Doctor's mind would've been blown when he found out he was going to grow up to be the monster locked inside.
Didn't they visit stonehenge in SJA?
It does sound exactly like him. I just listened to it like 10 times then I put in my Revenge of the Sith DVD and listened to his Senate Speech several times, and it is identical.
You're being deliberately obtuse.
The Mondasmen were usually portrayed as conquerors or galactic thugs. The core theme of a civilization actively losing its humanity has barely been explored throughout the years. They were just shiny monsters with monotone voices.
The Cybermen, as they always should have been, are now based off our fear that technology makes us less human, that electronic communication cuts us off from genuine social contact, that industrialization will make us all the same and that we will lose our individuality.
Obviously the truth lies somewhere between your grossly exaggerated point of view and mine.
Lucky that the Cybe this week wanted an arm and a whole head, not just a brain, meaning it's not meant to be one of Trigger's plastic pals.
And they had a ship of the same design as the ones in The Invasion. So, Cybermen, not Cybusmen, they just happen to look exactly the same cos there was no cash left for new threads...
Yeah it could be quite cool, sort of like if Kamelian had worked out!
"Rory, we could do with a sofa, would you mind?"
For some odd reason this gives me a mental image of a Cyberman in a wifebeater called Cyber No Nose.
When they where originally created in 1966 by Dr. Kit Pedler and Gerry Davis based them on the fear of body part replacement. In the 1960's they were starting to do body part replacement and people feared it. The Cybermen where based on that fear. The fear of the more body parts you replace the less human and more machine you become.
And of course your "They were just shiny monsters with monotone voices" isn't a grossly exaggerated point of view.
After watching the episode again, I'm not only pretty sure it's a Dream Lord hacked emergency hologram controlling the TARDIS, but the reason Amy doesn't remember the Dalek invasion is because the Amy the Doctor picked up was after he, himself, was locked in the Pandorica. This season has basically been a big paradox, hence the cracks in the universe.