dont quote me on exact numbers, but according to Captain Joh, there was a down fall of the Time Agency and only a dozen or so survived, himself & Jack being two of them.
5x012 The Pandorica Opens (Grading/Discussion) SPOILERS!!
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I'm a little bit worried. River is totally awesome but they've mentioned several times that time can be re-written. I'm hoping that we don't see her sacrifice herself for the Doctor and be erased from time, because that would make the previous episodes featuring her very confusing... and rob us of any chance of seeing their first meeting.
The thing is, as a character she is a gold mine. I was even wondering if their first meeting was also going to be their last (i.e. she learns how to fly the TARDIS, steals his sonic screwdriver and kills him (probably not murder since she really seems to care for him) but he dies somehow, setting us up for the next reincarnation.
Although it looks as though Rory may not be totally gone that reference could have been to set us up for this episode, so who knows...? It's quite nice that it's so hard to predict where this is going.
The thing is, as a character she is a gold mine. I was even wondering if their first meeting was also going to be their last (i.e. she learns how to fly the TARDIS, steals his sonic screwdriver and kills him (probably not murder since she really seems to care for him) but he dies somehow, setting us up for the next reincarnation.
Although it looks as though Rory may not be totally gone that reference could have been to set us up for this episode, so who knows...? It's quite nice that it's so hard to predict where this is going.
So my point stands, there are at least a dozen Time Agents out there (always assuming the agency didn't fall after Blue Guy chopped one's arm off!)
Interesting thought but how do we know Philip Madoc is appearing in "The Big Band?" The only place I've seen him listed is IMDB (which TARDIS Wikia uses as its source) and IMDB isn't the most reliable when it comes to future casts (television and movies alike).
An valid point, I havent seen anything BBC official about Madoc, but with the amount of callbacks to the 1st and 2nd Doctors in the series, I am hoping its something like this rather than Daleks and Davros again. Also, I thought the Tardis like ship in the Lodger might come into play as we don't know where it came from. It would be amusing if we have already seen the end of the big baddie already in the Lodger. Timey Wimey madness
And Amy's mom will be one of the Andrew's sisters who turn out were former companions of Patrick Troughton's Doctor.
I was about to post pretty much the same thing. Jack left the Time Agency before he met the Doctor and before he became immortal. They could have said "ex-Time Agent" but didn't. I'm sure there are other handsome Time Agents out there.
As for having had the vortex manipulator deactivated, well, he has managed to get it going before but I still doubt it was his.
I quite enjoyed the episode, the final scene with all the Doctor's enemies from over the years imprisoning him was done well IMO. There's just one thing I'm not too sure about: What are the Cybus Cybermen from Pete's World doing with the Alliance? I thought they'd all been destroyed, and besides, it's not possible for them to travel into and out of the Doctor's universe due to the Time War. Unless they're actually the original Cybermen, who have somehow evolved into a form virtually identical to that of their other-dimensional counterparts...?
With the Pete's World Cybermen, it could be anything. A few managed to stay on this side somehow undetected, the cracks allowed them to leave their universe, etc, etc.
Yeah, for such a tightly constructed season plot, this was a bit sloppy. The Doctor decides to look at the Oldest Words in the Universe (isn't that a bit Hitchhiker's Guide) in the exact same season everyone's been talking to him about the Pandorica and silence falling and he's picked up the companion who's relevant to that plot?
Of course, I suppose you could argue that the reason everyone's been talking to him about the Pandorica and silence falling is because he's about to see the message and get embroiled in the adventure!
It's because "good wizard" is an incredible vague descriptor. It also sounds an awful lot like Gandalf and Ron Weasley!
Of course it could have been Jack during his 2 missing years...
^ Aha good shout!
I think Jack's TVM was active at the end of COE. Gwen gave to him and he used to hitch-hike, didn't he?
I think Jack's TVM was active at the end of COE. Gwen gave to him and he used to hitch-hike, didn't he?
I wonder what happened to the original Cybermen then? All we've seen of them since NuWho started is a head in a museum in Dalek. Their absense is a little conspicuous. That's why I suggested that the ones in the Alliance ARE the originals, but a future development of the race, upgraded with tech from those of Pete's World.
I half expected the words were going to be "WE APOLOGISE FOR THE INCONVENIENCE".
yea but was probably able to use the device for other things than the TVM, which has done on a number of occasions.
I am sure there were still some more Time agents out there, Captain John said in Torchwood season 2 that there only a few left.
Sounds kind of like wiping a hard drive but file fragments being left over that you can reconstruct if you try hard enough!
Mr Awe