I'm excited and would love to see the Valeyard and I've only read up on him too...I just really like the concept of him and what he represents.
5x012 The Pandorica Opens (Grading/Discussion) SPOILERS!!
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I'm thinking the voice in the TARDIS is the dreamlord
Something interesting I noticed. Normally, when the Daleks, Cybermen, Sontarans, or Autons appear, a credit is included in the closing credits for each -- "Daleks created by Terry Nation," "Cybermen originally created by Kit Peddler & Gary Davis," "Sontarans created by Robert Holmes," etc. But there was no such credit for any of them in "The Pandorica Opens;" in fact, I didn't even see Nicholas Briggs get a credit for his work as the Dalek and Cybermen voices.
I wonder why?
I wonder why?
Say what you will about Davies's "fanwank," was there ever a Davies episode that featured Daleks, Cybermen, Autons, Sontarans, Sycorax, Silurians, and... Weevils!?
Not to mention namedropping at least three classic Who races.
Drahvins, Draconians and Zygons.
Terrileptils too..
Yes, they constructed a scenario from Amy's memories, but it seems as though everything hinges on Vincent putting the coordinates in the painting to start with. If not for the painting, would The Doctor have gone at all?
Am I being really thick, again? I would not be surprised if I am, TBH.
The Doctor mentioned that Stonehenge was a giant transmitter, sending out "The Pandorica is opening here and now" throughout time and space. He (wrongly) assumed that's what brought the Associated Guild of Doctor-Haters there, and (correctly) assumed that Vincent's psychic sensitivity and familiarity with the Doctor let him pick up on it. If Vincent hadn't picked up on it, sooner or later, someone else would've, and the message would've found it's way back to the Doctor. Much like the Home Box in "The Time of Angels," it doesn't matter if a message to the Doctor gets there the minute you send it or 12,000 years later or, for that matter, before he even meets you in his own timestream. Tell him where and when, and he'll be there.
It was really only now because he had the sudden whim to read the oldest words in the universe. He'd probably heard about them since he was a youth, could've visited at any time in his life and ended up in the Pandorica. For that matter, he's probably heard of the Pandorica as a bedtime story, too. Wonder how much Little Doctor's mind would've been blown when he found out he was going to grow up to be the monster locked inside.
Here's a thought:
The BIG BAD controlling the TARDIS is indeed The Doctor, only The Doctor's bad side/Dreamlord/Valeyard/etc.
By the end of next week's episode, The Evil Doctor ends up trapped forever inside the Pandorica, put in there by The Real/Good Doctor.
Amy: How'd they trap it?
Doctor: Same as in all fairy tales: a good wizard tricked it.
River: I hate fairy tales with god wizards, they always turn out to be HIM (The Doctor).
If those lines are a hint and not just a funny joke, then it implies that The Doctor might indeed trap THE BIG BAD inside the Pandorica, making the fairytale reality and being...as always...the good wizard.
I haven't yet heard the throngs comment on how good wizard sound an awful lot like Merlin.
The BIG BAD controlling the TARDIS is indeed The Doctor, only The Doctor's bad side/Dreamlord/Valeyard/etc.
By the end of next week's episode, The Evil Doctor ends up trapped forever inside the Pandorica, put in there by The Real/Good Doctor.
Amy: How'd they trap it?
Doctor: Same as in all fairy tales: a good wizard tricked it.
River: I hate fairy tales with god wizards, they always turn out to be HIM (The Doctor).
If those lines are a hint and not just a funny joke, then it implies that The Doctor might indeed trap THE BIG BAD inside the Pandorica, making the fairytale reality and being...as always...the good wizard.
I haven't yet heard the throngs comment on how good wizard sound an awful lot like Merlin.
Just a guess here - Humans have space travel by then, do they not ? Perhaps the Doctor's plan worked and they have space travel technology because their Human allies do ?
I thought of Merlin and King Arthur the moment I saw the pics of Stonehenge.
What if the Doctor is stuck in the box a long time and finally regenerates to his 13th regeneration and becomes evil so finally he is the one to cause this.
Something. The way the Doctor ignored the crack when he saw it on his screeen in the first episode. Could be something inside him. Was it a Tardis that landed outside Amy's house?
Or either it's a non-Dalek style Davros.
By the way, did anyone think they were referencing Captain Jack when they talked about the guy whoes wrist they cut off? Looked like the same bar we saw him in last time.
Something. The way the Doctor ignored the crack when he saw it on his screeen in the first episode. Could be something inside him. Was it a Tardis that landed outside Amy's house?
Or either it's a non-Dalek style Davros.
By the way, did anyone think they were referencing Captain Jack when they talked about the guy whoes wrist they cut off? Looked like the same bar we saw him in last time.
I didn't feel that it was Jack, there are probably lots of Time Agents in that period.
I think that Jack is originally from around that time (50th or 51st Century?).
As I said in another threar it's doubtful it's Jack.
1. Jack's no longer in the 51st Century, so if it is him then he had his hand cut off before the events of The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances and I think we'd have noticed. People will shout timey wimey here but the big blue guy did say it came off the arm of a Time Agent, again Jack hasn't been a Time Agent since before he met the Doctor.
2. Jack's vortex manipulator was pretty much deactivated by the Doctor at the end of Last of the Timelords.
Much like James Bond isn't the only 00 Agent, JAck Harkness isn't/wasn't the only Time Agent, there were likely quite a few of them.
1. Jack's no longer in the 51st Century, so if it is him then he had his hand cut off before the events of The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances and I think we'd have noticed. People will shout timey wimey here but the big blue guy did say it came off the arm of a Time Agent, again Jack hasn't been a Time Agent since before he met the Doctor.
2. Jack's vortex manipulator was pretty much deactivated by the Doctor at the end of Last of the Timelords.
Much like James Bond isn't the only 00 Agent, JAck Harkness isn't/wasn't the only Time Agent, there were likely quite a few of them.
I am guessing the voice was done by Phillip Madoc, which is what brought the War Lord to mind for me from War Games, Troughton's last series. The War Lord and his people were removed from time. With the Timelords gone, and their limited time travel technology that they got from the Timelord, Magnus, may have let them influence the Tardis. I also thought that brief black and white Tardis image that River saw looked a bit like the symbol that Magnus wore in the episode.
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_War_Chief
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_War_Lord
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_War_Chief
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_War_Lord
It sounds exactly like Palpy on re-listening a few times, which makes me wonder if next week is going to give us Ian McDiarmid as whoever it is (even if it's a returning character they might still re-cast - especially if it's Omega as both the original actors in the role are dead now. Though if I was bringing him back I'd do my damnedest to cast Peter Davison...)