So, either we're looking at another continuity gaffe that was meant to be a nod to fans of Enterprise and Trek in general...
...or Archer's great-great-great-to-whatever-degree grandchild had a beagle and...aww, poor beagle.
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So, either we're looking at another continuity gaffe that was meant to be a nod to fans of Enterprise and Trek in general...
...or Archer's great-great-great-to-whatever-degree grandchild had a beagle and...aww, poor beagle.
I totally don't care about continuity issues like this so I can't believe I'm going to go into this, but the reasons it doesn't work are:
1) What is Porthos like 100 years old? But, let's assume Archer has a thing for beagles and it's Porthos VII.
2) Canonically, according to Archer's file from IAMD, Archer dies on the day the Enterprise is launched, so he shouldn't be around when Scotty's experimenting.
and
3) According to the same file, Scotty should be referring to him as Federation President Archer rather than Admiral Archer by this point in the continuity.
But, I guess there's some wiggle room there. If one wants to be really strict about it. Which one shouldn't be. Because it doesn't fucking matter
EDIT: To heck with it. It's not that important LOL
So I've been wondering, not much has been established about dogs living in the future, canonically speaking. There is nothing saying they race aren't long-lived, and therefore one from the 22nd could have been alive in the 23rd century. And since Abrams and his cohorts are saying they'd like to provide various links to the other Trek series, this could be a perfect link to Enterprise. Have a scene where Kirk and Spock enter an alien night club in search of Nero. While they're looking around, they pass by Porthos. You know what would make this scene even better? Have Porthos wearing a sombrero. The potential is awe-inspiringly awesome.
Discuss.
So nothing is really being violated then by saying there was a Cardassian on Vulcan in the 22nd century if the "contact" issue was only implied and never explicitely stated. Works for me.
You know there was only one small cannon detail that I was hoping Abrams was sticking to, and that is that the guy in the red shirt dies. So far i'm satisfied.
I totally don't care about continuity issues like this so I can't believe I'm going to go into this, but the reasons it doesn't work are:
1) What is Porthos like 100 years old? But, let's assume Archer has a thing for beagles and it's Porthos VII.
2) Canonically, according to Archer's file from IAMD, Archer dies on the day the Enterprise is launched, so he shouldn't be around when Scotty's experimenting.
and
3) According to the same file, Scotty should be referring to him as Federation President Archer rather than Admiral Archer by this point in the continuity.
But, I guess there's some wiggle room there. If one wants to be really strict about it. Which one shouldn't be. Because it doesn't fucking matter
Ok. So it's more about Archer than the dog. Is Archer supposed to be president when he dies (or when the Enterprise launches)? I'm having a hard time figuring out where Scotty would even be when the Enterprise launches. Kirk would presumably be in the Academy. I don't know...
There's another cool nod to the fans that I couldn't really mention because I didn't remember the context. The number 47 is mentioned. 
Once I'm not posting these messages from my phone, I'll get the spoiler tags out and say what the 47 refers to.
Once I'm not posting these messages from my phone, I'll get the spoiler tags out and say what the 47 refers to.
Hah, the 47 Society rears its head!
Yeah, I think he dies in office but I could be wrong. Anyway, yeah there's so little that's factually known about the era the movie takes place in that you can play these kinds of guessing games all day. Where would Scotty be when the Enterprise launches? I bet you could figure it out, but who really cares?
The bottom line is, from what I've heard and seen, they've presented the characters I know and love in a way I find interesting and believable, given that this is an earlier incarnation than seen in TOS.
The only character that doesn't ring true from these spoilers is Uhura, but IMHO, this is an improvement over her relatively sedate and minor appearance throughout the series. Blasphemy, I know, but whatever. I just want a cool Star Trek movie.
Even though I don't personally give a shit about the drink "violation," I think the Porthos thing is not raising eyebrows because:
1) It's not a canon violation (well, okay it is but that's super nitpicky.)
and
2) It's funny as hell
Yup.
BTW, we don't know that it's Porthos - he'd be a real old doggie. Probably a successor beagle, or a clone.
Mmmmm. Well I read the clip descriptions with an open mind I think. While the action sounds great, I do feel that some of the plot devices sound immature and too campy. But it is hard to gauge a film from written descriptions of 4 disparate scenes.
However, what does excite me, is the reaction by the authors of the various articles. The overall consensus appears to be that this has the potential to be a great film and that, overall, the casting has been appropriate and the performances more than sound.
So, in summary I am still quite excited to see the film.
And, as for continuity... I would much prefer a film that is well written rather than a poorly written film that has had to compromise plot and character development so that it appeases a minority of the viewing audience.
However, what does excite me, is the reaction by the authors of the various articles. The overall consensus appears to be that this has the potential to be a great film and that, overall, the casting has been appropriate and the performances more than sound.
So, in summary I am still quite excited to see the film.
And, as for continuity... I would much prefer a film that is well written rather than a poorly written film that has had to compromise plot and character development so that it appeases a minority of the viewing audience.
It might not even be Jonathan Archer, captain of the NX-01. It could be Jonathan Quincy Archer, who's not yet followed in his President father's footsteps in his Paris office.
Hahaha Jon Quincy, you never know...
Are people really going to try to squeeze (crush?) this movie into the existing canon? That will get old real fast. It's just not gonna fit.
A reboot is fine if it's a good movie.
For what it's worth, there are quite a few continuity issues in those scenes. I'm not a strict canonite, but some are fairly major. But we don't know the degree to which they were fouled up by Nero. Or the degree to which they will be "made to fit" at the end. It does seem -- intriguing.
Some observations (not having anything to do with continuity, just impressions and trying to read in between the lines about what's going on) --
Some observations (not having anything to do with continuity, just impressions and trying to read in between the lines about what's going on) --
-- Older Spock seemed surprised to have met Scotty on the ice planet. Wonder why he didn't expect to see him? Is Spock confused by this timeline?
-- Nero must've brought 24th/25th century Romulan technology back with him and is going back and forth through time (for example from the day of Kirk's birth to the attack on Vulcan years later).
-- Kirk, McCoy, and Uhura may know more than they're leading on. Which is why Kirk stops to try to explain things to Uhura on his way to the bridge. The three of them have already experienced something. Which is also why McCoy gets Kirk on the Enterprise, to stick together.
-- Unless the report has the location wrong, what the hell are Uhura, Sulu, a bunch of other cadets, and Pike doing in a bar in Iowa? Maybe Starfleet has a campus at my alma mater, Iowa State.
Perhaps the most telling line that something is out of skew:
-- Pike says the Federation is, "An important peace-keeping armada." WTF. It keeps the peace, but that's an interesting choice of words. An armada is a fleet of war vessels. Maybe things aren't all hunky-dorey "where no man has gone before," any more. Fits in with McCoy's line in the trailer about space being nothing but, "phasers, aliens, and killing," or something like that. I found that a strange line at the time. It also fits in with how "Yesterday's Enterprise" was an influence on this story. Nero must've really screwed things up already, and is trying to do more.
-- Could be why Uhura knows of Cardassian sunrises, too. We really don't know what kind of world this is.
-- Nero must've brought 24th/25th century Romulan technology back with him and is going back and forth through time (for example from the day of Kirk's birth to the attack on Vulcan years later).
-- Kirk, McCoy, and Uhura may know more than they're leading on. Which is why Kirk stops to try to explain things to Uhura on his way to the bridge. The three of them have already experienced something. Which is also why McCoy gets Kirk on the Enterprise, to stick together.
-- Unless the report has the location wrong, what the hell are Uhura, Sulu, a bunch of other cadets, and Pike doing in a bar in Iowa? Maybe Starfleet has a campus at my alma mater, Iowa State.
Perhaps the most telling line that something is out of skew:
-- Pike says the Federation is, "An important peace-keeping armada." WTF. It keeps the peace, but that's an interesting choice of words. An armada is a fleet of war vessels. Maybe things aren't all hunky-dorey "where no man has gone before," any more. Fits in with McCoy's line in the trailer about space being nothing but, "phasers, aliens, and killing," or something like that. I found that a strange line at the time. It also fits in with how "Yesterday's Enterprise" was an influence on this story. Nero must've really screwed things up already, and is trying to do more.
-- Could be why Uhura knows of Cardassian sunrises, too. We really don't know what kind of world this is.
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I love the shrieks of canonistas in the morning.
Sounds like victory.
Sounds like victory.