4 Clip descriptions from Empire *Spoiler heavy*

[Tom Servo]

The Deadly Years - Kirk states that he is 34 years old.
Who Mourns for Adonais - Chekov states that he is 22 years old.

Cut to: The bridge where Captain Pike asks the “Russian whizkid” at the helm what his name is. It’s Ensign Chekov. Cue a comedy sequence where Chekov attempts to enter an authorization code into the computer, announcing “nine, five, wictor, wictor, two” in a perfect Walther Koenig exaggerated Russian accent and being denied. Chekov goes on to address the ship over the comm., stating that anomaly has been detected in the neutral zone, a lightning storm in space. A distress signal from the Vulcan (“wulcan”) high command has caused the Enterprise to go and investigate.

This was my concern with using all seven characters in a Kirk origin tale. It makes no sense that a character that is twelve years younger than Kirk already being a bridge officer.

Not to mention the fact that evidenty the Enterprise is only three years old when Kirk first shows up. Definitely steals some of the non-canon thunder from the Chris Pike. Plus, poor Robert April no longer exists.

And while that is true, something like someone's age is never really THAT important, and I'm sure 99% of the audience who see the movie will have no clue that Chekov should only be 22.

 

[DeafPoet]

Huh? Where do you get that from? Although a date has neven been established for when contact between the Federation and Cardassians has been made, it's always been implied to be between TOS and TNG.

DS9 mentions a Cardassian poet living on Vulcan in the 22nd century.

I've always considered that a continuity anomaly which I've ignored.

Dude, if you want to be a Canon Purist, that's fine. But when you start cherry picking the stuff you don't like and then call bullshit on JJ that's a wee bit hypocritical, dontcha think?

 

[Takeru]

Awesome! I can't wait to see the movie!

It's days like these that make me really glad I don't give a shit about canon and continuity, if it's a good movie, I'm happy, if not I will start bitching, but not because I don't like the way the Enterprise was build or if Kirks sideburns are not pointy enough.

 

[T'Aerwynd]

I've always considered that a continuity anomaly which I've ignored.

Dude, if you want to be a Canon Purist, that's fine. But when you start cherry picking the stuff you don't like and then call bullshit on JJ that's a wee bit hypocritical, dontcha think?

Pfff, he's important enough that he gave his opinion its own thread!

I really don't understand the nitpicky people. Why not reserve judgment until the trailer is actually out and you've seen it? What is so bad about doing that?

 

[Pavonis]

Huh? Where do you get that from? Although a date has neven been established for when contact between the Federation and Cardassians has been made, it's always been implied to be between TOS and TNG.

DS9 mentions a Cardassian poet living on Vulcan in the 22nd century.

I've always considered that a continuity anomaly which I've ignored.

Why? It's not as though the Cardassians we're familiar with from DS9 were always the aggressive species we saw them as. The Cardassians of the 22nd Century may have been relatively peaceful, even meek, keeping to themselves and not venturing too far outside their system. They could be like the Denobulans, always there in the 23rd century but never seen. If you accept ENT as canon.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

The Deadly Years - Kirk states that he is 34 years old.
Who Mourns for Adonais - Chekov states that he is 22 years old.

Cut to: The bridge where Captain Pike asks the “Russian whizkid” at the helm what his name is. It’s Ensign Chekov. Cue a comedy sequence where Chekov attempts to enter an authorization code into the computer, announcing “nine, five, wictor, wictor, two” in a perfect Walther Koenig exaggerated Russian accent and being denied. Chekov goes on to address the ship over the comm., stating that anomaly has been detected in the neutral zone, a lightning storm in space. A distress signal from the Vulcan (“wulcan”) high command has caused the Enterprise to go and investigate.

This was my concern with using all seven characters in a Kirk origin tale. It makes no sense that a character that is twelve years younger than Kirk already being a bridge officer.

Not to mention the fact that evidenty the Enterprise is only three years old when Kirk first shows up. Definitely steals some of the non-canon thunder from the Chris Pike. Plus, poor Robert April no longer exists.

Not so far fetched, I suppose, since the Great Bird once considered doing a tale in which the Magnificent Seven all came together at the Academy at the same time.

As early as The Original Series’ third season, Gene Roddenberry had spoken of making a Star Trek motion picture. At the 1968 World Science Fiction Convention held over Labor Day weekend in Oakland, California he drew enthusiastic applause when he told a rapt audience his plans for filming a prequel to the series telling the story of how Kirk and his crew had met at Starfleet Academy.

(Taken from The Art of Star Trek by Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens)

Source: http://trekmovie.com/2008/02/27/roddenberry-considered-tos-prequel-for-tmp/

I've read the transcript of that event as it appeared in the only issue of Enterprise Incidents that I ever bought and reread hundreds of time over. IIRC, the movie would've centered on Spock and how he came to Starfleet, meeting Kirk and company at the Academy and then coming to the Enterprise in the course of the film.

That said, there are parts I like and parts I am on the fence about but I'd rather see how it plays out in the whole of the film. Nevertheless, I am quite excited by what I've read.

 

[The Wormhole]

DS9 mentions a Cardassian poet living on Vulcan in the 22nd century.

I've always considered that a continuity anomaly which I've ignored.

Dude, if you want to be a Canon Purist, that's fine. But when you start cherry picking the stuff you don't like and then call bullshit on JJ that's a wee bit hypocritical, dontcha think?

Maybe. Hypocrissy is what today's society is built on. Can't help it if some of it has rubbed off on me.

 

[Rat Boy]

Caught this little line at Trekmovie:

Scotty explains that his experimental beaming worked on fruit but he said "didn’t turn out so well for Admiral Archer’s beagle"

 

[God Magnus]

I've always considered that a continuity anomaly which I've ignored.

Why?

 

[BillJ]

The Deadly Years - Kirk states that he is 34 years old.
Who Mourns for Adonais - Chekov states that he is 22 years old.

Cut to: The bridge where Captain Pike asks the “Russian whizkid” at the helm what his name is. It’s Ensign Chekov. Cue a comedy sequence where Chekov attempts to enter an authorization code into the computer, announcing “nine, five, wictor, wictor, two” in a perfect Walther Koenig exaggerated Russian accent and being denied. Chekov goes on to address the ship over the comm., stating that anomaly has been detected in the neutral zone, a lightning storm in space. A distress signal from the Vulcan (“wulcan”) high command has caused the Enterprise to go and investigate.

This was my concern with using all seven characters in a Kirk origin tale. It makes no sense that a character that is twelve years younger than Kirk already being a bridge officer.

Not to mention the fact that evidenty the Enterprise is only three years old when Kirk first shows up. Definitely steals some of the non-canon thunder from the Chris Pike. Plus, poor Robert April no longer exists.

Not so far fetched, I suppose, since the Great Bird once considered doing a tale in which the Magnificent Seven all came together at the Academy at the same time.

As early as The Original Series’ third season, Gene Roddenberry had spoken of making a Star Trek motion picture. At the 1968 World Science Fiction Convention held over Labor Day weekend in Oakland, California he drew enthusiastic applause when he told a rapt audience his plans for filming a prequel to the series telling the story of how Kirk and his crew had met at Starfleet Academy.

(Taken from The Art of Star Trek by Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens)

Source: http://trekmovie.com/2008/02/27/roddenberry-considered-tos-prequel-for-tmp/

I've read the transcript of that event as it appeared in the only issue of Enterprise Incidents that I ever bought and reread hundreds of time over.

That said, there are parts I like and parts I am on the fence about but I'd rather see how it plays out in the whole of the film. Nevertheless, I am quite excited by what I've read.

There are reasons why some ideas never see the light of day. It wasn't a good idea in 1968, it wasn't a good idea when Harve Bennett pitched it in the early 1990's and I'm not sure it's a good idea now.

 

[The Wormhole]

I've always considered that a continuity anomaly which I've ignored.

Why?

The idea of a Cardassian poet living on Vulcan in the 22nd century just didn't fit with established facts, and it was never expanded on or explained, so I saw no need to acknowledge it.

 

[Ward Fowler]

I've been a fan of TOS for a very long time, but I'm not concerned that much about minor continuity violations, I always assumed that they were not only inevitable but intentional. That's why the film involves time-travel. What concerns me about the scene descriptions is that they sound awful, especially the comedy bits. Kirk accidentally grabbing Uhura's tits in a bar fight? Kirk's hands swelling up to an enormous size. Kirk trying to warn everyone of danger but his tongue stops working. HAHAHAHA!!!!!! Let the wackiness ensue. Granted comedy of this nature tends come off better on the screen than on the page but it still doesn't sound good to me. Also, the movie seems filled with cliches. Talented Bad Boy doesn't play by the rules but learns his lesson. Future best friends hate each other in the beginning but through crisis become close, etc. Most importantly, when direct quotes from the scenes were mentioned, it didn't sound like the characters voice had been captured at all with the exception of McCoy, who was spouting verbatim quotes from TOS. Let's not forget that the guys who wrote this movie wrote Transformers which I thought was an awful, awful movie. I was holding out hope that they would do better with this script since they are big Star Trek fans. I'm no longer holding out that hope. I hope Star Trek proves me wrong and ends up being a great film.

 

[God Magnus]

The idea of a Cardassian poet living on Vulcan in the 22nd century just didn't fit with established facts, and it was never expanded on or explained, so I saw no need to acknowledge it.

I'm not clear on how a Cardassian being a poet or living on Vulcan in the 22nd century contradicts anything. Are there specific episodes you can cite where elements contradict each other? Are Cardassians not allowed to have poets or something?

 

[Ghostface1701]

Oh yeah, and the most important thing:

What does the Enterprise look like?! Argh I wish they had mentioned that.

I'm guessing it looks enough like the Enterprise that it's not worth mentioning in an article not geared to you know, us.

Enterprise is beautiful (although I have issues with the interiors). Instantly recognisable, but with a darker colouring (ala, the 'Koernerprise'), and a few new details:

- Small torpedo tubes in the same location as the refit

- A thicker neck

- Slightly curved (upwards) nacelle pylons

I think the exterior of the ship will be the thing that most people will be happy with.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

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There are reasons why some ideas never see the light of day. It wasn't a good idea in 1968, it wasn't a good idea when Harve Bennett pitched it in the early 1990's and I'm not sure it's a good idea now.

To be fair, Bennett's idea only focused on Kirk, Spock and McCoy coming together with a smaller role for Scotty and not the entire crew.

Myself, I like the idea of them coming together and I also like the idea that Kirk has an arc in the film and doesn't start out as the "arrived hero."

 

[ManOnTheWave]

Cardassians were seen on Enterprise. DS9 refered to a Cardassian on Vulcan in the 22nd century. Gul Madred told Picard that the fascists took over within his lifetime. Contact with Cardassians was not between TOS and TNG. Conflict was.

And the descriptions of the clips are fucking awesome.

 

[The Wormhole]

The idea of a Cardassian poet living on Vulcan in the 22nd century just didn't fit with established facts, and it was never expanded on or explained, so I saw no need to acknowledge it.

I'm not clear on how a Cardassian being a poet or living on Vulcan in the 22nd century contradicts anything. Are there specific episodes you can cite where elements contradict each other? Are Cardassians not allowed to have poets or something?

I liked that last sentence. But regardless, it has always been implied that the Federation hadn't made contact with the Cardassians until between TOS and TNG, as there had been no referance whatsoever to Cardassian contact prior to the 24th century. With the exception of this weird mention of a poet living on Vulcan in the 22nd century, which has never been properly explained, so is best left ignored.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

This sounds pretty awesome. Though it seems Kirk is entering the Acadamy after Sulu, Uhura, etc. Now that's going to make some heads spin.

That's as far as I read. Uhura is ordering Cardassian drinks? Referance to Cardassians in the 23rd century?

COCKFUCKERY!!!!

The problem here is what?

Oh, you're absolutely right. After all, it's not as if the Federation had no contact with the Cardassians in the 23rd century.

Oh wait, they didn't. And that is the problem.

They did now.

 

[BillJ]

Cardassians were seen on Enterprise. DS9 refered to a Cardassian on Vulcan in the 22nd century. Gul Madred told Picard that the fascists took over within his lifetime. Contact with Cardassians was not between TOS and TNG. Conflict was.

And the descriptions of the clips are fucking awesome.

I can't say I recall ever seeing a Cardassian on Enterprise. Can you point to the episode?

 

[Shatterhand]

I've always considered that a continuity anomaly which I've ignored.

So, wait a minute. A line in an episode of DS9 establishes that a Cardassian lived on Vulcan during the 22nd Century, and because you don't think it belongs, you just ignore it? Yet, you have a problem with this new movie's alleged continuity errors? Are they just too monumental to ignore? Where does the line get drawn for you?

I have never felt more pity for J.J. Abrams and his team than I do right now. For frak's sake, his decision to take on Star Trek was like walking into a pen of wild dogs while wrapped in bacon. I wonder if the man had any TRUE idea how merciless the hardcore continuity-loving Trek fans would be should he dare to do anything that was not unwaveringly faithful to canon.

I can only pray that these extreme nitpickers and naysayers just stay the hell home when the movie comes out, because they'll taint my enjoyment of this movie. However, I know they won't, because as much as they shake their fists in protest and disgust and scribe their hatred on forums like these, they'll still go to see it because they know that if they don't, their opinions on anything in the movie will be completely worthless and people will dismiss them out of hand.