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30th Annivesary of 1994!

Tallguy

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Welcome to the 30th anniversary of 1994! (And get OFF my LAWN!)

It occurred to me that we're in the run up to the 30th anniversary of All Good Things and Generations. So then I started thinking "Hey, I had kind of fallen out of Star Trek watching back then. Why not do it again (for the first time) now?" (I've seen all the episodes. Just not week to week.)

I meant to start this a week or two ago, so I've missed the DS9 episodes Rivals and The Alternate. And The Pegasus aired on January 10th.

If I remember right TNG and DS9 were syndicated so depending on your market these episodes all aired sometime during that week, right?

Anyway, 30ish years ago people who were watching Star Trek watched Homeward.

Next up, for those that feel like joining in on this shindig:
30 January: DS9 Armageddon Game
31 January: TNG (shudder) Sub Rosa

Wow. I'm not a 24th century guy. Not my favorite era, not my favorite characters, not my favorite ships or design. But this was where the bulk of Star Trek has taken place. And my goodness by this time TNG was looking GOOD. Watching that teaser and the opening credits feels a bit like coming home.

I'll go look up all the details on Memory Alpha later. But how the heck did they get Paul freaking Sorvino to be on this show? (Edit: MA is unrevealing on this point.)

Like I said, I wasn't watching TNG much when this was on. Was this the season where everyone got a family member? (Oh no! I didn't wait until after Sub Rosa to start this!)

Hey! Penny Johnson! How long before she shows up on DS9?

Oh, this was when I finally figured out that the Prime Directive (as implemented in TNG) was totally evil! And then Into Darkness doubled down on it! I suppose Pen Pals (was that the one?) had done this kind of dance before as well.

Because the Culture of the Week doesn't have warp drive they are beyond saving? But if they only had that level of tech then the Federation would do something? Yikes. And if I recall it's not even once a civilization explores and finds the Federation on its own. It's the moment they invent FTL. Bam! Welcome to our club!

I get that this isn't really about if the Prime Directive is good or bad. It's the TNG writers finding an impossible morale conundrum for our heroes.

Picard's reaction to Nikolai is that it's like Nikolai used the wrong fork. And Picard is really mad about it. And then Picard is all "What do you expect us to do now?" Um... Airlock? "That would be so... Icky!" (Didn't Picard have pretty much the same reaction to the 20th century space popsicles back in The Neutral Zone in season 1?)

I don't understand the stakes. Worst case scenario in Nikolai's plan: They find out that they were moved by aliens. Gods. Whatever. It becomes part of their culture. Not the first civ to have alien benefactors in its past. Including (according to Star Trek) ours.

But the worst case scenario in Picard's plan: They all die and are never heard from again. How is this a debate?

I can't even see Our Heroes as people in this episode. The only person I actually believed was the guy from the planet that killed himself. And then Picard (the writers) has the audacity to say "I wished I had known him better."

Hey, Deana's not wearing the space suit?
 
He was no stranger to TV, be it TV movies or one-off appearances on shows. (Law & Order, Murder, She Wrote, Moonlighting.)
Fair enough. (He was on Murder, She Wrote?!?)

"totally" evil?
Pretty much. When even a single survivor of a culture who has not been blessed with the technological know-how of Warp Drive is such an affront to Federation sensibilities that it would be better to let them all die in the first place I don't know what else to call it.

If you have to let them all die then it's no longer about their protection it's about yours. And what could you possibly need protection from?

This has happened at least twice to the Enterprise in the course of seven years. Maybe they need some better policies.
 
I'll leave that to the people who might post here saying "I remember watching this with my Dad when I was in middle school" or even worse "I saw this on DVD because I was too little." Maybe even "Mom said she watched this in the hospital right after I was born."

I was 23, with a lot more hair! :lol:
 
Pretty much.

Normally, it prevents economic exploitation, indentured servitude/slavery and destructive (even irreparable) cultural development. As for the metric "warp drive-capable"...a line has to be established somewhere. I understand disapproving of the PD's application in this particular episode, but that appraisal throws the baby out with the bathwater.
 
Normally, it prevents economic exploitation, indentured servitude/slavery and destructive (even irreparable) cultural development. As for the metric "warp drive-capable"...a line has to be established somewhere. I understand disapproving of the PD's application in this particular episode, but that appraisal throws the baby out with the bathwater.

I have to admit that the "death is better than contamination" always struck me as incredibly fucking stupid.
Rather than derail this thread I started another topic here https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/how-messed-up-is-the-prime-directive.316028/

1994...
- End of TNG.
- Generations.
- Birth of VOY.
- Debut of the Defiant on DS9.
VOY is 1995. Close.
 
I'm not even 1/2 way through and I'm completely on Nikolai's side. Did i think Picard was right back in 1994? I hope not. I certainly don't get how you protect a culture by letting it die! It seems real bastardization of the Prime Directive as I remember it.

Sorvino, as always, is terrific. I like how well his portrayal fits Worf's description of his brother to Crusher.

Weird to see Penny not as Kassidy.

I love Worf trying to sell the holodeck glitch as a good omen. Nice blather. :D "Sign of LaForge."

I do appreciate that in the original meeting and later with Data, Bev recognizes there are consequences no matter what they do or don't do.

Chronicle Guy seems familiar. Aah. He was in a million shows so no surprise.

I love the old guy setting his daughter up with Worf! :lol:

Whoops! Chronicle Guy gets out and freaks out (part of the *actual* reason for the PD). I'm glad Deanna immediately tried to help him. Picard looks incredibly ill at ease explaining things. Brian Markinson does a very nice job here.

I like the dynamic between Nikolai and Worf. Obviously, they've always been very different.

Oh, here's Penny! Oh, Nikolai knocked her up! Worf looks like he wants to be anywhere else.

Markinson again. Damn, he's good. No wonder he's had so much work.

Chronicle Guy kills himself. He was in (for him) a truly untenable position and I felt for him. Again, good performance.

Oh now Picard is okay they did this and feels bad about Chronicle Guy! Wow. At least Worf seems to understand his brother a little better at the end. Nice work from Dorn.

And, yeah @Tallguy, it does look gorgeous.
 
Just a reminder for people with nothing to do this weekend:

Next week will be the 30th anniversaries of Sub Rosa (!) and DS9's Armageddon Game.

We can light a (birthday) candle!
 
One of the things I really like about that time period of Season 2/3 DS9, Season 7 TNG, Season 1 of Voyager and Generations is just the way characters and events and locations would crossover in the shows. Not that it didn't happen later but as a 12/13 year old for the first time it was fascinating. TNG ended but the Enterprise was still mentioned in "Tribunal." Nechayev and Chekote show up on a couple of series. Quark guests on TNG. Riker guests on DS9. Evek guests on all three. I think the closest it felt to me later was Zimmerman on DS9 and Barclay on Voyager.
 
1994...
- End of TNG.
- Generations.
- Birth of VOY.
- Debut of the Defiant on DS9.

the peak of Trek. Around the time I discovered the franchise around 30 years ago. I certainly remember the 30th Anniversary celebration very well
 
the peak of Trek. Around the time I discovered the franchise around 30 years ago. I certainly remember the 30th Anniversary celebration very well
I should dig up the Larry King interview with the TNG and DS9 cast from around the time of All Good Things.

First time I ever saw an interview with Avery Brooks. Even King remarked on how out there Brooks was. He's also bald, a good year and some before Sisko would be.
 
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