Shhhh... don't tell anyone, but I don't either. My tongue was pretty FIRMLY in my cheek when I created this thread. - I was as interested in seeing how invested respondents would be as in anything else.
2009 widely regarded as good, STID bad, Beyond very good...
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I'd rank them Beyond, ID then 2009, so the curse doesn't work either way.
Besides, the original curse tended to match critical and commercial performance (with 3 and 10 the only blips), whereas here all three were well reviewed and Beyond is the only one to perform particularly poorly.
Besides, the original curse tended to match critical and commercial performance (with 3 and 10 the only blips), whereas here all three were well reviewed and Beyond is the only one to perform particularly poorly.
Yeah, I think everyone has those personal outliers. I for example really like TMP, not so much the second half, but I really love the first half. And I like Final Frontier much more than Search for Spock. Mostly because the movie doesn't take itself very seriously. It's mostly flufff entertainment. Search for Spock on the other hand had really dramatic stuff - the destruction of the Enterprise, the death of Kirk's son(!), - so I'm much harsher in my judgement when the movie is unintentionally silly.
That being said, it's still amazing how well the even/odd-formula (with a few adjustments/reverse around Trek IX and X) holds up as a general consensus.
I like all three but if I had to pick it would probably 09. But, I enjoy them all immensely.
I liked Star Trek more than Into Darkness, but I enjoyed both of them quite a bit. ID falls apart in the last act for me. I enjoyed some of the TWOK homages but it was a bit too much in some places.
Beyond was the one that felt the most like TOS to me, and yet I didn't react as strongly to it as I did the other two. Perhaps when I rewatch again I might enjoy it more?
Beyond was the one that felt the most like TOS to me, and yet I didn't react as strongly to it as I did the other two. Perhaps when I rewatch again I might enjoy it more?
Widely by who?
I think if we go by the critics st09 is the best, the other two have mixed reactions. Beyond is the least successful but in some aspects considered better (more fun), by fans, than than stid but still not living up the expectations and potential of the first movie.
I think if we go by the critics st09 is the best, the other two have mixed reactions. Beyond is the least successful but in some aspects considered better (more fun), by fans, than than stid but still not living up the expectations and potential of the first movie.
The main problem with STID is plot hooooooooles.
That and Spock slugging the shit out of Khan and overall being the least rational and logical of all the characters in the film, as well as the most emotional and emo.
Pretty much.
I've never been able to explain my feelings on STID. I really, really enjoy it was a sci-fi action/adventure film. But as a Star Trek film, not so much. I just can't give it a good or bad. To me, it's both. It's Schrodinger's Star Trek Film - it's both good and bad. 
But I would say that maybe you're on to something here...
But I would say that maybe you're on to something here...
I still like STID very much even though I admit that it is the weak link in the chain.
what makes into darkness trash? the film had maybe the best of the tree villains and good development for kirk , spock and uhura.
If the villian in STID was so great why did they have to reuse Khan? Harrison as the villian (another genetically engineered tyrant) who fled Earth after the Eugenics war could have worked just as well.
For me the reactor room scene was just one step too far which threw me out of the movie metaphorically speaking.
In fact many if not all of the ST movie villians have had their issues. Khan in TWOK worked better than in STID, sure he had the same underlying motivation that of revenge, but in the case of the former that was directly against Kirk whist in the later it wasn't as much focused against our heroes directly they just happened to be part of Starfleet who he wanted revenge against.
For me the reactor room scene was just one step too far which threw me out of the movie metaphorically speaking.
In fact many if not all of the ST movie villians have had their issues. Khan in TWOK worked better than in STID, sure he had the same underlying motivation that of revenge, but in the case of the former that was directly against Kirk whist in the later it wasn't as much focused against our heroes directly they just happened to be part of Starfleet who he wanted revenge against.
Khan's revenge in ID came in two bursts - when he thinks Marcus has killed his crew so he attacks Starfleet HQ (after arranging the attack on London), and when he thinks Spock has killed his crew, when he levels half of San Francisco.
His motivation for most of the movie is to free his people and himself from Starfleet.
His motivation for most of the movie is to free his people and himself from Starfleet.
I found STID Khan to have a little more depth and his ambitions greater than TWOK. Khan in TWOK made have worked better because his motivation was 100% REVENGE ON KIRK. Even GR commented that it reduced the Space Seed villain to one dimension.
Khan, in STID, had larger plans beyond revenge, including the development of weapons for his own use.
Khan in TWOK might have needed this:
"I've been in the revenge business for so long, I don't know what to do with the rest of my life."
"Have you ever considered piracy?"
Excuse me, but there is no problem with STID. It scored high on Rotten Tomatoes, ya know.
