2009 - The Biggest Year Ever for Trek?

[Plumster]

I'll try again - I had forgotton this board needs people to walk through the subject just in case any North Americans out there are reading....

So onwards with a smile and humour.....

Time to see if Trek talks the talk and WALKS THE WALK methinks. A big budget, a big director and publicity of the likes never before seen.

2009 is a year thatwill go down in Trek folklore or a year the fans will try to forget.........

 

[darkshadow0001]

Well, if it makes you feel better, I knew what you were talking about... All the mods had to do was read the title of your post, which pretty much was the topic.

I hope it is anyway. This movie will depict the future of Trek, and I would love to have a good Trek show to watch again... so I hope it does well.

 

[The Wormhole]

People really need to stop setting their sights so high. Even if, and I do emphasize if, Trek XI is a success, it is not going to be an epic success that blazes box office records and sets a new standard for what the science fiction genre and the motion picture medium are capable of.

Trek XI will be nothing more then a well-received movie. People will go see it, maybe make some comments on how "kewl" it is, how they like the splosions, quote a few lines they think are funny. After a month in theatres it will fade to relative obscurity, as most movies do. Then, come fall, it will see a bloated DVD release which will be in all the Best Buy and Future Shop ads and then afterwards no one will think about the movie except for us lot who never stop discussing anything Trek related.

That's it folks. Just another movie. Maybe a bit more significant to us because it's Star Trek, and we live and breathe Star Trek, but to Average Joe Public it will make no more of an impact than Indiana Jones did last year.

 

[MisterPL]

I predicted that The Dark Knight would make a little more than its predecessor. Had someone insisted the film could have broken a billion dollars, I'd have laughed them off a forum or two.

I'm predicting this Star Trek will do at least half a billion dollars worldwide if only because I'm seeing far more skepticism from the waning fan base than general audiences that'll make this movie such a success.

 

[Plumster]

People really need to stop setting their sights so high. Even if, and I do emphasize if, Trek XI is a success, it is not going to be an epic success that blazes box office records and sets a new standard for what the science fiction genre and the motion picture medium are capable of.

Trek XI will be nothing more then a well-received movie. People will go see it, maybe make some comments on how "kewl" it is, how they like the splosions, quote a few lines they think are funny. After a month in theatres it will fade to relative obscurity, as most movies do. Then, come fall, it will see a bloated DVD release which will be in all the Best Buy and Future Shop ads and then afterwards no one will think about the movie except for us lot who never stop discussing anything Trek related.

That's it folks. Just another movie. Maybe a bit more significant to us because it's Star Trek, and we live and breathe Star Trek, but to Average Joe Public it will make no more of an impact than Indiana Jones did last year.

Oh I agree that it's another movie coming out in a year of some good releases but it's what it represents that bothers me slightly.

It has to do the business.

No business and Trek will fade away from the studio leaving it in the hands of the die hard fans to mould in their own image....

...a ghastly thought.

 

[Plumster]

Well, if it makes you feel better, I knew what you were talking about... All the mods had to do was read the title of your post, which pretty much was the topic.

Thank you...!!

 

[The Wormhole]

I predicted that The Dark Knight would make a little more than its predecessor. Had someone insisted the film could have broken a billion dollars, I'd have laughed them off a forum or two.

The Dark Knight is different. That's Batman, and he clearly had time to prepare.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Well, if it makes you feel better, I knew what you were talking about...

But he's British, so we have to walk him through the concept.

So this thread is about "will Trek XI be important for Trek?" Well, yeah, no shit. Maybe the mods were right in closing the other thread because it's redundant with what we've been discussion for, I don't know, years now? There's not much to do with a topic like this besides baseless speculation that devolves into the usual bickering, but I'll play along.

If the movie flops, it will be bad. Not fatal, and I fully expect there would be another attempt, but it would be a serious setback.

However, I don't expect the movie to flop. I expect a modest to large hit. After all, if a relatively unknown property like Iron Man can do as well as it did, why not Star Trek? It does seem to be in competent hands. I was sanguine about Iron Man before it debuted (arguing against friends who were sure it would flop because "who has ever heard of Iron Man?") and I'm even more positive about Trek XI.

And there isn't much more to say for six more months.

Maybe a bit more significant to us because it's Star Trek, and we live and breathe Star Trek, but to Average Joe Public it will make no more of an impact than Indiana Jones did last year.

Indy did great box office. If Trek XI does as well, that would be wonderful! We'll get more movies and probably a return to TV, which is everything I'm hoping for (other than, yknow, they also be good).

No business and Trek will fade away from the studio leaving it in the hands of the die hard fans to mould in their own image....

Is that what you're worried about? Well either you have nothing to worry about (there's no way Paramount will allow fans to get official control of Star Trek) or everything to worry about (fans already are molding Trek into all sorts of images, good, bad and ugly, here and everywhere on the internets and beyond, and nothing short of an asteroid wiping out all life on Earth will put a stop to the desecration).

 

[Plumster]

Well, if it makes you feel better, I knew what you were talking about...

But he's British, so we have to walk him through the concept.

So this thread is about "will Trek XI be important for Trek?" Well, yeah, no shit. Maybe the mods were right in closing the other thread because it's redundant with what we've been discussion for, I don't know, years now? There's not much to do with a topic like this besides baseless speculation that devolves into the usual bickering, but I'll play along.

Temis, old chap, you really must learn to understand your colonial cousins and how we like to smile patronisingly in the USA's direction for no good reason and pat it on the head.

One of the reasons we love you is the instantanious lunge for sarcasm to make a point, I feel at home now you've done it and got it out of your system. I really thought that less was more, I apologise.

As you said, there's nothing more for you to add to this topic and therefore nothing to see, move along old boy, move along.

Love, light and happiness to you in the year of our Lord 2009.

God save the Queen.

 

[darkshadow0001]

Well, if it makes you feel better, I knew what you were talking about... All the mods had to do was read the title of your post, which pretty much was the topic.

Thank you...!!

You're welcome I had one of my threads closed for no reason, too. I understand my thread was kind of pointless, but so are 80% of the other threads in this forum are too, but they don't seem to get closed

 

[spoonunseptium]

If McDonalds would just start making Kirk action figures already, we'd be set.


'cause you know a movie is big if they put plastic versions of it in Kid's Meals.

 

[Nowhere Man]

People really need to stop setting their sights so high. Even if, and I do emphasize if, Trek XI is a success, it is not going to be an epic success that blazes box office records and sets a new standard for what the science fiction genre and the motion picture medium are capable of.

Trek XI will be nothing more then a well-received movie. People will go see it, maybe make some comments on how "kewl" it is, how they like the splosions, quote a few lines they think are funny. After a month in theatres it will fade to relative obscurity, as most movies do. Then, come fall, it will see a bloated DVD release which will be in all the Best Buy and Future Shop ads and then afterwards no one will think about the movie except for us lot who never stop discussing anything Trek related.

That's it folks. Just another movie. Maybe a bit more significant to us because it's Star Trek, and we live and breathe Star Trek, but to Average Joe Public it will make no more of an impact than Indiana Jones did last year.

It's Joe The Plumber for one and Indy was a " Sucess" in money terms and I got a feeling Lucas will try to Milk Indy one more time or maybe even 2 more times.

 

[Ptrope]

Ack! Please don't bring up Joe the Plumber - I am Joe Public and prefer to remain so .

As for the 'biggest year' - no ... this isn't a leap year, and even if it were, it would be no bigger than any other leap year in Trek's history .

I certainly don't expect Iron Man numbers from AbramsTrek - don't forget that that movie had Robert Downey Jr., who is still something of a media darling and also a subject of intense and often morbid interest - people either want to see how far he has fallen lately, or how far he has climbed since the last fall. Thankfully, he has climbed high enough to matter again. And whether the subject is a relative unknown or not, Iron Man easily had the best trailer in years (plug for The Onion here, too, who brilliantly captured the phenomenon in their video "Wildly Popular Iron Man Trailer to be Adapted into Full-Length Motion Picture"). Frankly, I don't think the Trek trailers have had that sort of impact, and when it comes right down to it, it's Trek. We may love it, but the general public think it's a bit silly, right or wrong, and nothing I've seen in the trailers or the stills seems to make that any less likely. So far, the teaser was intriguing, but the trailer makes it all look rather daft - especially the silly bits with all of the characters; if Paramount want Trek to appeal to a broader audience, other than the Vince Vaughn/Will Farrell crowd of slapstick humor, they're going to need something a lot better than what they've done so far. C'mon, Karl Urban's McCoy and Simon Pegg's Scotty both come across as nutballs, and Quinto's Spock looks, in a word, stupid. And the Empire cover makes the characters look like every slash fan's wet dream - I'm not sure that's going to bring in the bucks from the general public - or even the diehard core of fans.

As much as I love Trek, I think Paramount need to cut their losses and forget about it ever being a solid film franchise again, at least not until they give up the fiction that they can "reboot it without rebooting it"; it can't serve the two masters of canon and reconception, no matter how clever Abrams and his Transformers hacks think they are. Rip the Band-Aid off the wound, throw away the canon and start with a clean slate, or commit to telling a good, new story within it - not a damned 'prequel!' - nothing else will ever do the job, certainly not something like AbramsTrek, with the sort of compromises they expect from the audience in order to tell 'their' story.

 

[The Wormhole]

Indy was a " Sucess" in money terms and I got a feeling Lucas will try to Milk Indy one more time or maybe even 2 more times.

I don't deny Indiana Jones was a financial success, but it didn't blaze the box office sales, nor was it the summers smash it which everyone felt was a must see. In fact, after its opening weekend at number one, it essentially drizzled off until it got a bloated DVD release in the fall.

Expect the same pattern for Trek XI.

 

[Dukhat]

Well, if your bad karma was in any way a motivating effect on ticket sales, then this movie will flop for sure.

Luckily, it's not.

 

[Flake]

Indy was a " Sucess" in money terms and I got a feeling Lucas will try to Milk Indy one more time or maybe even 2 more times.

I don't deny Indiana Jones was a financial success, but it didn't blaze the box office sales, nor was it the summers smash it which everyone felt was a must see. In fact, after its opening weekend at number one, it essentially drizzled off until it got a bloated DVD release in the fall.

Expect the same pattern for Trek XI.

Indy made $320 Million domestic and another $460 Million elsewhere, if this is not a big impact then what is? Just Titanic?

By your reckoning 9.8 movies out of 10 simply have a big opening and then drizzle off to their DVD release.

 

[Nowhere Man]

Ack! Please don't bring up Joe the Plumber - I am Joe Public and prefer to remain so .

As for the 'biggest year' - no ... this isn't a leap year, and even if it were, it would be no bigger than any other leap year in Trek's history .

I certainly don't expect Iron Man numbers from AbramsTrek - don't forget that that movie had Robert Downey Jr., who is still something of a media darling and also a subject of intense and often morbid interest - people either want to see how far he has fallen lately, or how far he has climbed since the last fall. Thankfully, he has climbed high enough to matter again. And whether the subject is a relative unknown or not, Iron Man easily had the best trailer in years (plug for The Onion here, too, who brilliantly captured the phenomenon in their video "Wildly Popular Iron Man Trailer to be Adapted into Full-Length Motion Picture"). Frankly, I don't think the Trek trailers have had that sort of impact, and when it comes right down to it, it's Trek. We may love it, but the general public think it's a bit silly, right or wrong, and nothing I've seen in the trailers or the stills seems to make that any less likely. So far, the teaser was intriguing, but the trailer makes it all look rather daft - especially the silly bits with all of the characters; if Paramount want Trek to appeal to a broader audience, other than the Vince Vaughn/Will Farrell crowd of slapstick humor, they're going to need something a lot better than what they've done so far. C'mon, Karl Urban's McCoy and Simon Pegg's Scotty both come across as nutballs, and Quinto's Spock looks, in a word, stupid. And the Empire cover makes the characters look like every slash fan's wet dream - I'm not sure that's going to bring in the bucks from the general public - or even the diehard core of fans.

As much as I love Trek, I think Paramount need to cut their losses and forget about it ever being a solid film franchise again, at least not until they give up the fiction that they can "reboot it without rebooting it"; it can't serve the two masters of canon and reconception, no matter how clever Abrams and his Transformers hacks think they are. Rip the Band-Aid off the wound, throw away the canon and start with a clean slate, or commit to telling a good, new story within it - not a damned 'prequel!' - nothing else will ever do the job, certainly not something like AbramsTrek, with the sort of compromises they expect from the audience in order to tell 'their' story.

Sorry,I almost threw up when I thought of Joe the ______ , but i still felt the need to mention it becouse I did think it was funny. It's like a train wreck you know? It's gross and you don't want to look, but you still look anyway

 

[darkshadow0001]

If McDonalds would just start making Kirk action figures already, we'd be set.


'cause you know a movie is big if they put plastic versions of it in Kid's Meals.

McDonald's? I'd like to see Toys R Us sell some Star Trek stuff. All I ever see there is Star Wars. And, which I don't understand why, because not everyone is a Star Wars fan.

 

[Dukhat]

Indy was a " Sucess" in money terms and I got a feeling Lucas will try to Milk Indy one more time or maybe even 2 more times.

I don't deny Indiana Jones was a financial success, but it didn't blaze the box office sales, nor was it the summers smash it which everyone felt was a must see. In fact, after its opening weekend at number one, it essentially drizzled off until it got a bloated DVD release in the fall.

Expect the same pattern for Trek XI.

Indy made $320 Million domestic and another $460 Million elsewhere, if this is not a big impact then what is? Just Titanic?

By your reckoning 9.8 movies out of 10 simply have a big opening and then drizzle off to their DVD release.

He simply wants to movie to fail, using any flawed logic at his disposal. He can't get over the fact that a ship has a fucking zero in front of its registry, and because of that rather silly thing to argue about, he deems the whole film doomed to failure.

 

[Borgminister]

Depending on the marketing, opening weekend will be huge. Maybe the second week too. But then it'll depend on word of mouth from Joe Public.