That's if Moffat is even working on DW next year.
And I say that using "if" since everything here is speculation.
2 million fewer viewers
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And I say that using "if" since everything here is speculation.
Unless he's been fired since, he confirmed months ago that he'll still be there next series.
Whenever that is.
When it became clear she really wasn't Susan, Romana, or the Rani the "True Fans" left in disgust that Moffat isn't respecting their traditions.
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Whilst those numbers are poor, comparative to what the show was achieving not so long ago, I think the question needs to be, are they poor in comparison to any other BBC drama that's been on the air for 10 years? I still believe there'd have been a drop off, irrespective of who was the show runner and who was the Doctor (sorry).
Whilst those numbers are poor, comparative to what the show was achieving not so long ago, I think the question needs to be, are they poor in comparison to any other BBC drama that's been on the air for 10 years? I still believe there'd have been a drop off, irrespective of who was the show runner and who was the Doctor (sorry).
Yes but has the BBC itself said they can't film the two shows simulataneously? The BBC could over rule him. But if they didn't start filming until June, we might end up with a split season with the first half in Autumn 2016 and the second half spring 2017. If it's speicals a June start date could mean one have one ready for the Summer Bank Holiday with one for Xmas and New Year's Day
If they were starting in January (which they would need to, to get a full series next year) they'd be in active pre-production by now but given that Moffat said last week that he's only just starting to think about plans for the next series I'm not holding my breath.
They're not (with one of two exceptions).
There's a middle-ground between "Oh my God, it's going to be cancelled!" and "Everything's perfect, nothing to worry about." and that's where it is at the moment.
Something changed last year that made (some) people not want to come back this year and unfair as it may be, there was only one big change...
I'm still watching it, but I just don't like what's Moffat is doing to Capaldi. I've never been a big fan of Moffat's direction with the show and I just can't pin down this Doctor's character. He's manic.
And the sooner Clara is gone, the better. Their dynamic has always been horrible.
And the sooner Clara is gone, the better. Their dynamic has always been horrible.
I can't decide if the "manic Doctor" this year is Moffat's idea or Capaldi's idea. I lean toward it being mainly Capaldi's idea; I think the darker, more morose Doctor last year was Moffat's idea of what an older Doctor should be, while this year Capaldi may be asserting himself and defining how he wants to play the character.
I don't think it's "horrible," just different. Edgier in a way. She's more independent than a Doctor Who companion usually is.
This is how I feel, though I didn't really start to dislike Clara until the end of last season. I think Matt Smith had amazing chemistry with everyone, and that made me like Clara (especially having rewatched his season with her a couple times).
But the combo of her and Capaldi just works less and less as the show goes on. And frankly, Capaldi's weird electric guitar and sunglasses thing really isn't doing anything for it. It's like they're trying way too hard to give him is own thing, like Smith's fez and bow tie, but it just comes across as stupid.
I mean, he was playing "Amazing Grace" at the beginning of the episode! Why?
No royalty payment?
I think the character direction of the Twelfth Doctor this series feels like a natural step forward.
In the previous series his character arc was that of having an identity crisis - he kept asking himself is he a good or bad person. For the entire series he was trying to figure himself out, keeping himself emotionally restrained and prone to navel gazing.
Now, he's a lot more comfortable with himself. He puts more effort into trying to be nice (like with the flash cards in Under the Lake) and his attire reflects this attitude. The cropped hair and tightly buttoned shirt reflected his insecurity and closed off nature. Now his longer curls and replacement of the formal, overstarched shirts with the baggy t-shirts and hoodies, reflects a more chilled out and happier Doctor.
My take on the current Doctor is that he's the complete opposite of his predecessor. The Eleventh Doctor was an old man in a young man's body. The Twelfth Doctor is a young man in an old man's body.
In the previous series his character arc was that of having an identity crisis - he kept asking himself is he a good or bad person. For the entire series he was trying to figure himself out, keeping himself emotionally restrained and prone to navel gazing.
Now, he's a lot more comfortable with himself. He puts more effort into trying to be nice (like with the flash cards in Under the Lake) and his attire reflects this attitude. The cropped hair and tightly buttoned shirt reflected his insecurity and closed off nature. Now his longer curls and replacement of the formal, overstarched shirts with the baggy t-shirts and hoodies, reflects a more chilled out and happier Doctor.
My take on the current Doctor is that he's the complete opposite of his predecessor. The Eleventh Doctor was an old man in a young man's body. The Twelfth Doctor is a young man in an old man's body.
Well, someone at TV Tropes pointed out that the song deals with forgiveness and reconciliation, which is what the Doctor hopes will save the peace treaty. Of course, he's playing it before he knows anything has gone wrong, but that could be his weird Time Lord precognition at work...
Still haven't seen any comparison of iPlayer views this series to last... Have any figures been put out?
That's one of two questions that I think need to be asked. The other one is, how much does it cost compared to the better-rated shows?
If the ratings are dropping, and costs increasing (due to inflation if nothing else - isn't the license fee fixed for a while so the BBC is essentially getting a budget cut each year?), then it seems to me like the BBC is allocating its budget poorly. But if the budget is dropping in parallel to the lower ratings, then it makes sense.
Unless Worldwide can make up the shortfall, that is. Has anybody been collating the US numbers versus earlier series?
Just for reference, I went back through the Doctor Who News pages looking at the Australian ratings. The following numbers are for the five mainland state capitals (iView and regional aren't included). The first number is the final, consolidated count including time-shifting. The second number is the overnight number.
The Magician's Apprentice 847,000 (653,000)
The Witch's Familiar 734,000 (541,000)
Under the Lake 612,000 (428,000)
Before the Flood 660,000 (511,000)
The Girl Who Died 644,000 (601,000)
The Woman Who Lived tba (493,000)
The Zygon Invasion tba (430,000)
The Magician's Apprentice 847,000 (653,000)
The Witch's Familiar 734,000 (541,000)
Under the Lake 612,000 (428,000)
Before the Flood 660,000 (511,000)
The Girl Who Died 644,000 (601,000)
The Woman Who Lived tba (493,000)
The Zygon Invasion tba (430,000)
People using it through their TV is already included; people watching on other devices is unchanged at about 300k but obviously there's no way of telling how many of them watch the whole episode or are watching for the first time.
Capaldi and Moffat have criticized the BBC for using DW as a pawn in the ratings climb, Moffat goes on to say that the 8PM timeslot is "Sherlock O'Clock" and isn't suited for Doctor Who
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/nov/06/doctor-who-scheduling-pawn-bbc-peter-capaldi
Moffat confirms a full 12-episode series will be made in 2016
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015...will-be-a-full-series-of-doctor-who-next-year
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/nov/06/doctor-who-scheduling-pawn-bbc-peter-capaldi
Moffat confirms a full 12-episode series will be made in 2016
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015...will-be-a-full-series-of-doctor-who-next-year
Though the key bit, how much will actually be broadcast next year, he's silent on.
(If they start in July they'd have most of it shot in 2016 but unless they split it wouldn't be able to air it.)
i just read something on Yahoo that said only six episodes next year.
http://news.yahoo.com/doctor-who-number-of-episodes-to-be-halved-next-112010867.html
http://news.yahoo.com/doctor-who-number-of-episodes-to-be-halved-next-112010867.html
