16-year-old girl arrested for hitting father who was spanking her

[sidious618]

Wow, how utterly barbaric. What the fuck kind of family are we dealing with here? Obviously, the father sucks at parenting and probably has beaten the kid in the past. Seems like that worked out real well.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Cause it isn't illegal to spank your kids? And never should be.

If you're under the impression that one can never be arrested and charged for hitting a child with an object like a belt - or for that matter, your hand - you're misinformed.

In this case, it appears that the father was visibly injured while the "child" was not.

Wow, how utterly barbaric. What the fuck kind of family are we dealing with here? Obviously, the father sucks at parenting and probably has beaten the kid in the past. Seems like that worked out real well.

Yeah, a guy who thinks that hitting a sixteen-year-old with a belt is going to solve any problem has probably never been a prize winner.

 

[sidious618]

Yeah, a guy who thinks that hitting a sixteen-year-old with a belt is going to solve any problem has probably never been a prize winner.

I love how people defend shit like this despite the overwhelming evidence that proves hitting kids simply does not work and is always detrimental in the long run. Once in a while, fine, it happens. But hitting your kid with a belt? How could that possibly be okay? How could anyone think that it is healthy?

 

[Brent]

^ this is why I think it is healthy

Prov 13:24: "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes (diligently)."

Prov 19:18: "Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying."

Prov 22:15: "Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him."

Prov 23:13: "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die."

Prov 23:14: "Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell (Shoel)."

Prov 29:15: "The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame."

Hebrews 12:6-7: "...the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son. Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father?"

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

But hitting your kid with a belt? How could that possibly be okay? How could anyone think that it is healthy?

Well, it's not - and despite what Brent "considers it" to be, it can also be actionable.

More to the point in this case, hitting an out-of-control adolescent with a belt in the belief that it might positively affect their behavior is inarguably a case of "doing the same thing over and hoping for different results" - in other words, stupid and crazy.

I mean, unless someone imagines that this is the first time her Daddy has opted for this kind of "punishment."

 

[sidious618]

To Brent: Because it says it in a book? A book that also says slavery is okay and that women who are having their period should be ousted from the community?

 

[Brent]

To Brent: Because it says it in a book?

Yes, a book I consider the word of God, the truth to live by, and that I put faith in.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

To Brent: Because it says it in a book? A book that also says slavery is okay and that women who are having their period should be ousted from the community?

Hey, if it's good enough for the mullahs it's good enough for us'n.

I put faith in the truth of experience, and if an assertion is contradicted by actual experience it doesn't matter what the authority behind it is reputed to be.

 

[Brent]

We all get our morals from somewhere, that is where I get mine.

 

[JonathonWally]

To Brent: Because it says it in a book?

Yes, a book I consider the word of God, the truth to live by, and that I put faith in.

Same book that says it's ok to burn your own mother at the stake for wearing cotton and wool at the same time, so is that ok?

 

[sidious618]

To Brent: Because it says it in a book?

Yes, a book I consider the word of God, the truth to live by, and that I put faith in.

You ignored the rest of my post. What about all of the other things the book says?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

You can believe what you like, but if you believe than an "accidental injury" resulting from corporal punishment can't land you in jail your belief is contrary to fact.

Spanking even with the hand is illegal in a number of countries, and restricted in others - hitting with a belt is illegal in Canada, for example.

 

[Rii]

You can believe what you like, but if you believe than an "accidental injury" resulting from corporal punishment can't land you in jail your belief is contrary to fact.

Of course it doesn't always work that way.

My step-father beat me once when I was nine or ten. My mother arrived home to find me in a bath-tub of bloody water. We were out of the house within an hour and down at the hospital having photographs taken shortly after that. He was charged, there was a trial where I testified at the witness stand, and eventually the guy walked as there was insufficient evidence to demonstrate that he'd struck me with anything other than his hand.

In the course of all this we found out that this wasn't actually the first time he'd been accused of violence towards children. He was and remains in a reasonably senior position at YMCA Australia.

 

[sidious618]

I'm sorry to hear about that Rii.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

You can believe what you like, but if you believe than an "accidental injury" resulting from corporal punishment can't land you in jail your belief is contrary to fact.

Of course it doesn't always work that way.

No, it doesn't, and I'm really sorry for what happened to you. Sadly, laws are not equally enforced and justice is often not done.

I knew a kid who lost the vision in his left eye as a result of his dad "slipping" with a belt. The father was never charged, but he only got supervised visitation in the divorce.

 

[Da'an]

^ this is why I think it is healthy

Prov 13:24: "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes (diligently)."

Prov 19:18: "Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying."

Prov 22:15: "Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him."

Prov 23:13: "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die."

Prov 23:14: "Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell (Shoel)."

Prov 29:15: "The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame."

Hebrews 12:6-7: "...the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son. Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father?"

If you're going to quote from the Bible then don't forget Psalm 137:9 or Leviticus 26:29.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

We all get our morals from somewhere, that is where I get mine.

 

[Bears Discover Fire]

Good for her, socking him right back. She was defending herself from assault. Plain and simple.

Children have few rights, mostly with good reason. One of the rights they should never have is the right to be knocked around with a belt by an irate, weakling adult. No child is entitled to abuse.

Furthermore, a 16 year old, especially a troubled 16 year old, is far past the point (if there is a point at all) where physical violence as discipline will foster anything beyond contempt and resentment. It might instill a fear in them for a short while, but fear does not foster respect. Quite the opposite. This kid sounds like she's already been through the fear phase and this time headed straight for the end result.

Kids typically don't accrue their own probation officer in a vacuum, after all.

16 year olds are far more perceptive than an abusive parent will believe; they know they've won when their parent resorts to something as counterproductive as physical violence because he's too pathetic to handle a situation like the adult he's supposed to be.

I got a belt buckle upside my head once, for forgetting to pick up my clothes from the bathroom floor after a shower. It's traumatizing, undeserved and forever discolors your perception of the authority figure meting out the 'punishment'.

It's an efficient way to forever surrender any healthy respect your kid may have had for you and your discipline, though. You want to sign it away? Grab your makeshift flogging instrument and knock yourself out. Show that kid who has the upper hand in the dynamic - hint: it isn't you.

 

[Da'an]

We all get our morals from somewhere, that is where I get mine.

The only morals I've ever found worthwhile from the Bible all happen to be quotes by Jesus. Funny that.

 

[Miss Chicken]

We all get our morals from somewhere, that is where I get mine.

The people who burnt witches at the stake also claimed to get their morals from the Bible.