‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

[JoeZhang]

There is a great article about that which I cannot find at the moment - that most modern hollywood films undercut their tension because the characters themselves don't take the situations they are in seriously.

Terminator for example - if you look at the new one - the characters themselves laugh it up much of the time.

 

[Mach5]

Terminator for example - if you look at the new one - the characters themselves laugh it up much of the time.

The entire tone of that movie is a one big joke. It's like it doesn't even belong in the same genre as T1 and T2.

 

[Tosk]

So Batman and Superman are somehow above all other superheroes?

When have they NOT been above all other superheroes? Seriously, these two are the single most recognizable heroes in existence who have permeated pop culture in ways no other superhero has.

Which was exactly why I then went on to talk about how two of Marvel's "nothing" properties made more than Zack's movie about the grandfather of all modern superheroes, icon and symbol of all things super.

Anyway, doesn't matter whether they sling arrows or gentle insults at each other...we nerds are the ones who win. Golden Age of superhero movies right here.

 

[Mach5]

Golden Age of superhero movies right here.

It peaked in 2008, though.

 

[Tosk]

You can't make a call like that 'til the Age is actually over.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Hell, I'd say that 2008 was just when things were just getting started.

 

[Nerys Myk]

[Boone]Forget it, he's rolling[/Boone]

 

[M.A.C.O.]

I'd say it really started in 2004.

Spider-Man 2 hit.

X-2 a year previously, and X3 was in production.

WB had settled on their plan for rebooting Batman and Superman. We got Batman Begins in 05, and the misfire of Superman Returns in 06.

Kevin Feige took a loss in 03 with Ang Lee's Hulk movie, but came back years later with Iron Man 1.

Fox would release the 1st of their disappointing FF movies, a year later in 05. Which starred our now Captain America, Chris Evans as the Human Torch.

So yeah, the comic book movie fad has been going on for about a decade.

 

[eyeresist]

^ The comic movie boom began with Spidey 2 and X 2? Not the original, hugely successful movies which spawned the sequels?

‘Batman v Superman’ Director Zack Snyder Rips Marvel for ‘Flavor of the Week’ Superheroes

One of the biggest charlatans in the business talks shit about films made by filmmakers such as Kenneth Branagh, Joss Whedon, Joe Johnston...

He is just stirring the shit (I am betting he enjoys the Marvel movies - how could he not?), and he has a point regarding the iconic nature of Supes and Bats. Marvel has the bigger roster of movie-ready heroes, but the DC Two were there first and staked out some powerful areas where Marvel hasn't really been able to compete. I mean, Superman = godlike power and goodness. Batman = earthly struggle and darkness. As far as the biggest themes go, they cornered the market.

I am not hugely anticipating Civil War. I'm sure it will be entertaining, but I don't know if I will care much about it. There's probably no way BvS can live up to expectations, but those expectations are much higher that those for Civil War. Civil War will satisfy by being about costumed heroes punching stuff, but BvS is on a different, more mythic level. Is it even possible to put a myth on screen? Perhaps the only way would be to base the style on those 1950s Bible epics. And in this age of irony, there may not be a market for "mythic" even if it is successful...

Anyway, I think it's pretty obvious Civil War will do better box office, just because they've built up so much good will. This would only change if CW is unexpectedly poor, or if BvS somehow turns out to be a masterpiece.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

^ The comic movie boom began with Spidey 2 and X 2? Not the original, hugely successful movies which spawned the sequels?

Well yeah man.

X-men came out in 2000, and was a modest success. It would be 3 year before we saw it's sequel. At the time we would have Spider-Man 1, and misfires of Daredevil and Hulk of 2003.

2004 is when Fox, Sony WB, and Proto-Marvel starting putting their ducks in a row and hitting harder.

Granted this is an opinionated analysis. You are free to disagree with it.

 

[Mach5]

You can't make a call like that 'til the Age is actually over.

I can speculate. Not a single comic book movie released after TDK came close to it, or Iron Man. These movies are in a whole other league than anything that came after.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

2016, I feel will be the biggest test for CBM longevity.

We have:

Deadpool (Fox) in January

Batman v Superman (WB) in March

A̶v̶e̶n̶g̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶2̶.̶5̶ Captain America CW (Disney) in May

X-Men Apocalypse (Fox) in May

Dr. Strange (Disney) in July

Suicide Squad (WB) in August

I'm hyped for all of these movie, and hope they all do well. However, that is 6 movies from the 3 studios presently making comic book movies (since Sony is allied with Marvel now), coming out in the same year. Things will get crowded. Funny, if Sony was still in the game, we would have had Sinister Six coming out in July.

 

[eyeresist]

I think Suicide Squad will be a hit.
BvS will be controversial but a commercial success.
Captain America well received but slightly down on previous BO; same with X-Men.
Dr. Strange I am not expecting much from, based on the director's record.
Deadpool - I saw the long trailer and thought it was F***ING TERRIBLE. I predict a bomb.

 

[Mach5]

I think Suicide Squad will be a hit.

I like what I've seen. 170-200 mil. domestically, 450 mil. worldwide, I'd say. Harley Quinn and Deadshot aren't A-list comic book characters. WB should market it with the Joker in front.

Captain America well received but down on previous BO;

Iron Man is in it. 250 mil. domestically is a lock. 300+ is likely.

 

[AvBaur]

Harley Quinn and Deadshot aren't A-list comic book characters. WB should market it with the Joker in front.

Deadshot may not be an A-list character, but Will Smith is certainly an A-list movie star.

 

[eyeresist]

I don't think A-list characters has much to do with it, given how Marvel has done with GotG and Ant-Man. OTOH, I do think the non-fan audience tires of frequently-used characters, which is why I think Marvel's original movie Avengers lineup will need to be refreshed.

 

[Mach5]

Harley Quinn and Deadshot aren't A-list comic book characters. WB should market it with the Joker in front.

Deadshot may not be an A-list character, but Will Smith is certainly an A-list movie star.

Didn't stop "After Earth" from bombing.

MiB 3 wasn't as big as its predecessors either.

 

[theenglish]

Harley Quinn and Deadshot aren't A-list comic book characters. WB should market it with the Joker in front.

Deadshot may not be an A-list character, but Will Smith is certainly an A-list movie star.

And Margot Robbie and Jared Leto both of whom are hot right now.

The success of the Gotham television series last year showed that mainstream audiences can be found for comic book inspired stuff that does not directly involve the known characters.

Also, I agree with a poster above regarding the Deadpool movie--why release it in February if the studio thinks it will be a hit. I will probably watch it when it comes to Netflix, right after I watch Hansel and Gretel.

 

[Mach5]

The success of the Gotham television series last year showed that mainstream audiences can be found for comic book inspired stuff that does not directly involve the known characters.

David Mazouz and Camren Bicondova are both series regulars and I'd say Bruce Wayne and Catwoman are fairly well known.

But you're right about Leto and Robbie. Still, I think Leto as Joker has the biggest shot at selling the movie.

 

[The Lensman]

Also, I agree with a poster above regarding the Deadpool movie--why release it in February if the studio thinks it will be a hit. I will probably watch it when it comes to Netflix, right after I watch Hansel and Gretel.

Spielberg commented on how crowded "seasons" take away from box office takes for all films, which would lead to the death of the "blockbuster" and that the best thing studios could do is spread the release dates out. Give each of these films some breathing room to make their money. Looks like Hollywood is cautiously trying this.