‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

[Warped9]

This is Hollywood. They see trends in everything.

True, but the trend I think is more likely is that the FF are cursed when it comes to feature films. No one seems able to get a handle on how to fashion a decent movie around these characters.

I'm generally not a fan of superhero teams, but I really liked the first Avengers. I haven't seen the second one yet although my impression from reviews and general comments is that it's not as good as the first film.

I also really liked Guardians Of The Galaxy. I find myself looking forward to BvS because I sufficiently enjoyed MoS. I do think it silly that the actual MoS2 will follow BvS when I see BvS as the sequel to MoS given they're apparently going to address issues from MoS.

 

[davejames]

From the sound of it, the biggest problem with FF was the almost complete lack of action, more than the fact it was too "dark and gritty".

 

[JD]

I don't really see the failure of FF having any effect on Warner/DC's movies. The overall reaction to what's been shown from their stuff has been way to positive for them to be that worried.

 

[Taylirious]

This is Hollywood. They see trends in everything.

True, but the trend I think is more likely is that the FF are cursed when it comes to feature films. No one seems able to get a handle on how to fashion a decent movie around these characters.

The Incredibles is calling to say hello!

[yt]https://youtu.be/n-8w4Sv50zE?t=46s[/yt]

https://youtu.be/n-8w4Sv50zE?t=46s

The problem isn't FF it is FOX.

 

[Venardhi]

I'm not saying they're necessarily "worried" about the next few DCAU movies or that it is even an especially significant factor overall, but given that we're talking a few years out at least, they may be waiting for confirmation that it is an outlier rather than the start of a trend before loosening up the purse-strings again.

 

[Warped9]

This is Hollywood. They see trends in everything.

True, but the trend I think is more likely is that the FF are cursed when it comes to feature films. No one seems able to get a handle on how to fashion a decent movie around these characters.

The Incredibles is calling to say hello!

[yt]https://youtu.be/n-8w4Sv50zE?t=46s[/yt]

https://youtu.be/n-8w4Sv50zE?t=46s

The problem isn't FF it is FOX.

True. The Incredibles is a fantastic movie.

 

[eyeresist]

I suspect that this story will be debunked pretty promptly but there's a rumour going round that MOS2 is on 'permanent hold.'

http://www.denofgeek.us/movies/superman/248664/man-of-steel-2-said-to-be-on-permanent-hold

I'd say "indefinite hold" would be a better way of putting it. "Permanent hold" basically means "cancelled".

 

[Taylirious]

No it is just a rumor. If anything they want to see if BvS DoJ does well.

 

[theenglish]

This is Hollywood. They see trends in everything.

True, but the trend I think is more likely is that the FF are cursed when it comes to feature films. No one seems able to get a handle on how to fashion a decent movie around these characters.

I'm generally not a fan of superhero teams, but I really liked the first Avengers. I haven't seen the second one yet although my impression from reviews and general comments is that it's not as good as the first film.

I also really liked Guardians Of The Galaxy. I find myself looking forward to BvS because I sufficiently enjoyed MoS. I do think it silly that the actual MoS2 will follow BvS when I see BvS as the sequel to MoS given they're apparently going to address issues from MoS.

The Ultron movie was well done, for the most part. It suffers from being the fourth or fifth team movie with very similar pacing to Guardians, X-Men and the first Avengers. You get the feeling that we've seen this before at some points. The Hulk rages and has to fight his friends. The team has to regroup and face a final world crisis battle after overcoming their personal demons. By the end you're left feeling that you want to see something a little more original perhaps, but it is pretty solid. It's biggest flaw, in my opinion, is that the scenes that Marvel studios wanted to be included in the film just feel out of place. If you want a bathroom break, wait until Thor leaves to visit his "old friend" and you won't miss any of the actual movie.

Spoiler: The plot of the Fantastic Four movie

The Fantastic Four suffered a lot from many many problems, not the least of which is that it wasn't a really a Fantastic Four movie. My eight year old kids really enjoyed it and now want me to get them FF comic books. For them, the movie was similar to many of the Disney shows they watch (but a little scarier). My son said Doom was scary when he was making people fall asleep. My daughter was describing it to her friend "A group of kids make a machine that takes them to another dimension. When the grown ups put them in time out they decide to go to the dimension anyway. They come back with super-powers but leave their friend behind. He comes back evil and wants to destroy the world so they have to go to the other dimension and stop him--but he is really powerful so they can only stop him as a team." And that is the story.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

 

[Mach5]

‘Batman v Superman’ Director Zack Snyder Rips Marvel for ‘Flavor of the Week’ Superheroes

One of the biggest charlatans in the business talks shit about films made by filmmakers such as Kenneth Branagh, Joss Whedon, Joe Johnston...

Not the mention the fact that Ant-Man was actually well-received by critics, unlike Man of Steel which got panned.

 

[Beagleman]

I'm not a Snyder-hater but that's just dickish/childish.

 

[Mage]

I guess he lives by the 'If you can't join them, beat them' way of thinking.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

unlike Man of Steel which got panned.

In aggregate, Man of Steel did not get panned.

On Rotten Tomatoes it has a 56% All Critics score and a 51% Top Critics score, and on Metacritic it has a Metascore of 55.

That's not "getting panned," which means "getting criticized severely." That's squarely in "getting mixed reviews" territory.

 

[hux]

He makes a valid point. For someone like me who has never bothered with comics and knows very little about superheroes beyond the big ones, it's a bit of a novelty. I had literally never heard of Ant-Man before talk of the movie came along. I enjoyed it a lot but they are churning these things out in ridiculous numbers now.

Superman and Batman do have a presence that goes beyond this current trend for comic book movies. That being said, if Superman or Batman movies fail, they will get made again despite the failure for the same reasons. If Ant-Man failed, one suspects it would have disappeared for a very long time. In that respect, you could certainly argue that making Ant-Man type films demonstrates greater risk taking.

Plus Man of Steel was shit.

 

[Mach5]

That's squarely in "getting mixed reviews" territory.

In that case, feel free to emal the RT staff and ask them why they set the Fresh/Rotten threshold at 60%, instead of, say, 50 or 45.

Still, 56% is 24% less than what Ant-Man got.

 

[kirk55555]

Snyder is a bitter idiot, which isn't surprising. I actually want to see Batman v Superman, but I do hope Captain America: Civil War kicks its ass in the box office, not just because it looks like a better movie but because it would be nice to shut Snyder up even more than comparing Ant-Man to MoS.

 

[Mage]

Beating it in the box office? Tricky. I mean, this IS Batman Vs. Superman, a movie fans have been wanting for gods know how long.

But critically? I think Civil War has a good chance of being the better movie.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

That's squarely in "getting mixed reviews" territory.

In that case, feel free to emal the RT staff and ask them why they set the Fresh/Rotten threshold at 60%, instead of, say, 50 or 45.

Why? It makes sense. If 40% of critics or more say a movie is bad, chances are a sizable chunk of the user base will agree. The consequences of telling a person that a movie is good (or telling them something that they might well read that way) and they turn out not to like it after having paid to see it themselves are somewhat worse than if you tell them it's bad (or might be), they fork over the money, but they end up liking it. If the aim is to keep the users feeling like the site is useful and that it's not misleading them, setting the threshold where it is makes plausible sense. Ditto for the "Certified Fresh" threshold.

That's what "mixed review territory" is. You're in that area where there's a good chance that at least some people won't like it.

But getting "panned" by critics in aggregate is something even worse. It's general agreement among critics that a movie is bad. If you say a movie is generally panned, the expectation is that its aggregate critic scores are super-low. And about those aggregates, most every movie has its detractors, so if you just say it was panned to mean even one critic really hated it, it doesn't really say anything.

For example, Superman IV: The Quest for Peace, now that one was panned.

Still, 56% is 24% less than what Ant-Man got.

Yep.

 

[kirk55555]

Beating it in the box office? Tricky. I mean, this IS Batman Vs. Superman, a movie fans have been wanting for gods know how long.

But critically? I think Civil War has a good chance of being the better movie.

Yeah, I think just being Batman v Superman is giving that movie a big advantage. But, Civil War is basically Captain America vs Iron Man: The movie, and that's not insignificant. I think Marvel will easily have the more successful movie critically, but it will probably be a fight box office wise. Still, even with the novelty of seeing Batman and Superman together, I think Marvel at least has a 50/50 chance of beating it in the box office.