Have you read those stories though? I haven't read them all but I've found a few online and Superman seems to enjoy putting the fear of god in people but he doesn't outright kill them.
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Have you read those stories though? I haven't read them all but I've found a few online and Superman seems to enjoy putting the fear of god in people but he doesn't outright kill them.
I agree with you there. It seems sometimes that people took Watchmen for a template to write supers fiction and not the commentary on the genre that it was.
If you mean the late 30s/early 40s stories, there are such incidents to be found.
A favorite of mine, which happens as late as 1941 IIRC, is when some hoods tie Clark Kent so that he's hanging from a tree branch and try to run him through with their car. Clark kicks the car into a heap of junk, and doesn't seem concerned afterwards that anyone will be walking out of it with knowledge of his secret identity.
A favorite of mine, which happens as late as 1941 IIRC, is when some hoods tie Clark Kent so that he's hanging from a tree branch and try to run him through with their car. Clark kicks the car into a heap of junk, and doesn't seem concerned afterwards that anyone will be walking out of it with knowledge of his secret identity.
I haven't seen that. I've read the first couple of years of stories. I'm not saying there weren't such incidents but I haven't actually seen them.
Well, DC has certainly staked out their territory regarding the mood of their films.
I get you. I guess it's a debatable really. It's just far too common nowadays with people castigating DC for it's alleged "darkness". While simultaneously turning a blind eye to Marvel's own turns down the dark path. The current Superior Iron Man has Tony back on the booze and having created an Extremis app that improves health and even can prolong life. Only for Tony to take it away from the people he gave it to for free and have them pay to use it. He even gave Matt Murdock his site back, and then took it away. Tony has done some mess up things in the past but now they've made him an all out villain.
This trend of Up with Marvel and Down with DC, is rooted (IMO) in the popularity of the MCU movies. In print and publication, Marvel and DC are extremely similar. The difference usually stemming from their respective EIC and CIC's who coordinate the books and storylines and how each writer approaches a property. But the comics don't matter to general audiences and most people who sling mud at DC also happen to be people who don't read the books. I'm just trying to keep the scales even in terms of content of the books.
In terms of presentation both of them are different.
And just to clarify, I addressed my original comment to Dennis because we are close to the same age and back in the sixties and seventies Marvel gained popularity for being the gritty, realistic comic company while DC was bright and shiny. Now it seems that those roles have been reversed--so I am definitely showing my age there.
Do not go there. I think for myself, and it's insulting to imply otherwise. I like what I like because I like it. I don't care whether anyone else likes it too, and I never have. If anything, my natural inclination is to support the underdog, to embrace the contrary position and to rebel against hype. So you could not be more completely off base here.
It's also a really, really nonsensical thing to say. I like reading Mark Waid's Daredevil comics because a set of movies is popular? How the hell would that even work? It's meaningless. I like the comics because I like the comics. The movies are a different entity altogether. I mean, I have a very negative opinion, on balance, of Man of Steel, but I love The Flash. I don't judge all DC or all Marvel as one monolithic unit, because that would be stupid.
Also, the MCU movies and television series have had different approaches to the subject matter. I don't get the idea that the MCU is light and bright because even the most family friendly stories still have some "grit" to them. And the "gritty" Daredevil has its share of levity.
I want to see super-hero stories that look like they could take place in the real world with its nuanced highs and lows, not in a world that is so bleak everyone living in it would want to commit suicide.
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One thing I noticed after seeing the official trailer is the soldiers kneeling before Superman. They don't seem to be military, but paramilitary and they have Superman shields on their arms. I wonder if they are like the fake Batmen in TDK?
I didn't mean you specifically. I meant in general sense of how the comic company and their properties are viewed by general audiences. It's not hard to find a blog, vlog, article, review, youtube commentary, testimony from the writers (Waid and Morisson being the most outspoken) and even executives and directors (Amy Pascal and Marc Webb before TASM2 released) casting aspersion on DC for it's tone in print and in the movies. While simultaneously uplifting Marvel. The difference between Marvel and DC atm is Marvel has a series of 11 movies that are all well liked (even the bad ones) and well received by the critics and DC doesn't.
People's personal like of a movie studio bleeds over into personal like/championing the comic company that is affiliated with said studio and films. Contrary wise, people's dislike with movie/studio has led to people looking down on the company affiliated with said movie. People love saying "DC is all grimdark and depressing". When you have Greg Pak's AC Superman, John's Superman, Azzerello's WW, Cameron's Batgirl, Flash, Gotham Academy, GL. The notion of DC being "grimdark" doesn't hold true universally, like you said in an earlier post. However, like I said, the people who castigate DC are normally people who don't read DC. I read both DC and Marvel (also Image and Vertigo) so I am aware of both their strengths and weaknesses. I just wanted to give my opinion as to why one of the big two is favored in whatever it does and the other is denigrated for what it does.
In the trailer, we don't see Superman's reaction. I certainly hope it is similar to his speech at the end of MoS. "Hey guys, I'm just like you--I was born in Kansas--here's my high school yearbook..."
Sgt. Pepper
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I find it to be the most interesting and mysterious thing about the trailer. Yeah we know Batman and Superman "fight" or whatever, but we also know they'll end up being buddies. I'm more interested in those soldiers.
A voice modulator? Mostly nighttime scenes but with deep, rich colors (unlike the desaturated MOS)? Looks to me like someone's been studying Arrow.
... Also, I gotta note, the Pete Holmes Badman/Superman skit pretty much nailed this teaser's look, over a year ago!As for the teaser itself, as someone who loathes MOS, I gotta say... that was actually pretty damn great! Though somber, it's got a richer color palette than MOS, and while Snyder sure as heck didn't bring a good Superman sensibility to that movie, he may actually be a good fit for the story and tone this time around. I've been more than half-hoping this DCCU would ignite on impact and fail to launch, because I'm not at all sure I need another cinematic universe to keep track of besides the MCU and the Arrowverse, but I admit this gave me great pause. After all, I think Batman Begins is utter shite and The Dark Knight is excellent, so it's not as though I don't know the potential power of a redemptive/course-corrected sequel. I am, in short, now deeply intrigued in spite of myself.
Well it's obviously not at the same level as that amazing SW trailer from yesterday, but it still looks pretty damn cool I think. Affleck's Batman looks just as badass and intimidating as I had hoped, and I like that they're continuing to explore the real world ramifications of having a superpowered being on Earth.
Although I don't get the sense that Superman himself is being turned into some dark and sinister character here. It seems to be more about how everyone else on the planetis reacting (or overreacting) to his presence. And he's just doing his best to cope with it.
Although I don't get the sense that Superman himself is being turned into some dark and sinister character here. It seems to be more about how everyone else on the planetis reacting (or overreacting) to his presence. And he's just doing his best to cope with it.
I've mixed views on it.
The dialogue was quite thought-provoking and the trailer is very well structured and intelligent. No doubt the Chris Terrio influence. And the imagery is very striking - the false god graffiti, the character appearing to worship Superman etc.
My one gripe is that in terms of the lighting etc (think the colour bathing Superman's face in the scene where the people with white faces are behind him), it seems much more like a Zack Snyder film in the vein of 300 and Watchmen. Hyper-stylised. Obviously some will welcome this and while I enjoyed those films, they're not really what I hope to see in this one. I may be in the minority but I liked his step away from all of that in MOS and it's more grounded aesthetic.
Obviously one can't judge a film on the basis of a teaser trailer and the good did outweigh the not-so-good (for me).
The dialogue was quite thought-provoking and the trailer is very well structured and intelligent. No doubt the Chris Terrio influence. And the imagery is very striking - the false god graffiti, the character appearing to worship Superman etc.
My one gripe is that in terms of the lighting etc (think the colour bathing Superman's face in the scene where the people with white faces are behind him), it seems much more like a Zack Snyder film in the vein of 300 and Watchmen. Hyper-stylised. Obviously some will welcome this and while I enjoyed those films, they're not really what I hope to see in this one. I may be in the minority but I liked his step away from all of that in MOS and it's more grounded aesthetic.
Obviously one can't judge a film on the basis of a teaser trailer and the good did outweigh the not-so-good (for me).
This may sound strange, but after watching the teaser again last night, for the third or fourth time, I started looking at BvS as the spiritual successor to Snyder's Watchmen. Gods walk the Earth, there are men who trust them, there are men who will challenge them, and what does this do to humanity? Man challenging the gods is one of the oldest stories in literature, and it's one that comics occasionally tackle. (Final Crisis, with Batman's assassination of Darkseid, may be comics' most literal "man versus the gods" story of recent memory.) True, Superman is a weak and puny god compared to Dr. Manhattan, but there's a bit of each of Nite-Owl, Rorschach, and Ozymandias in Batman. Yet I can see the ideas that underlie Watchmen in BvS.
