‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

[theenglish]

I don't think most people knew or cared which super-heroes belonged to which company before. I remember people asking why Superman wasn't in the Avengers a few years ago. 2016 might actually be the year that a lot of this knowledge becomes mainstream.

 

[dahj]

I would guess it has at least a bit to do with differentiation. At a glance a lot of WW's powers seem like they're copied from Superman

I don't think many people see Wonder Woman as a copy of Superman, there isn't that much overlap in their powers and their whole shtick is different, but even if that were the case depowering a female character to differentiate her from a male character is just plain wrong.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Well WW has only really lost the power of flight, but given her incredible jumping ability, I don't think it will encumber her a lot. If they made her weaker (physically) or removed things like the lasso and dulled her fighting ability, then thems would be fightin' words.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I don't think many people see Wonder Woman as a copy of Superman, there isn't that much overlap in their powers and their whole shtick is different, but even if that were the case depowering a female character to differentiate her from a male character is just plain wrong.

In their complete set of powers, no, but I've seen a lot of mainstream versions of them (like video games, etc - pretty much anything that takes a general, less detailed view) in which she really did seem to be almost exactly the same, so I wouldn't be surprised if this was part of the motivation for people to dislike the idea of her flying especially (since it is basically the trademark Superman money shot).

Which is definitely not to say that it's a good reason to do so. I'm not sure what ever really would constitute a good reason to just ignore the existence of basic, pre-established character powers. If you don't like the powers, make someone new...

 

[theenglish]

In the current continuity, does Wonder Woman have her powers of flight in the JL origin story?

 

[Corran Horn]

In the current continuity, does Wonder Woman have her powers of flight in the JL origin story?

In the new 52 she didn't originally but ended up getting them.

 

[davejames]

I think it's a calculating mistake for Zack Snyder to not make the effort to make the TV universe canon with the movies. I've been watching The Flash, and Supergirl hoping those characters would make appearances in the films. Snyder official let it known the TV stuff is from another Earth, which to me lessons my investment in those characters and make me less interested in what Snyder does.
I appreciate the stuff Marvel films are doing with their properties because Jessica Jones, Power Man, Daredevil, and Shield could appear in the Marvel films, and I love that. Dark themes are fine but I don't want it in every movie; the good producers knows how to mix it up. Batman can be handled any way as long as the character is true. Superman should never be handled in a dark fashion, the character is uplifting and any director who doesn't understand that shouldn't be filming Superman.
I think Zack Snyder was the wrong choice for the DC cinematic Universe films, I doubt the BvS metropolis subplot with Batman was by design. It was spawned because of the high level of disgust from viewers having Superman allow such building destruction and not be concerned for human lives, and making Superman kill Zod was another strike against the director.
I hope Ben Affleck, a better filmmaker than Snyder, starts his Batman film and directs a film which start an appropriate DC universe set of films which could lead a JL movie right IMO.

Yeah there's a lot of benefits to a big, connected superhero universe, but you also take the risk of everything starting to feel too bland and samey-samey in tone as well after awhile. Which is something many people (including myself) feel is happening with Marvel.

I'm a big fan of the light and fun style of Flash and Supergirl, but I also love the edgier and more mythic style of the new DC movies as well, and I think it's awesome that we can actually have both at the same time now.

 

[theenglish]

In the new 52 she didn't originally but ended up getting them.

That's what I thought--it seemed that way by reading the wiki entries I looked at but they weren't specific.

So this--The new movie and television 'verses are heavily inspired by the new 52 right now. Additionally, most people don't think Wonder Woman can fly anyway because she is still closely associated with the '70s series. It would make total sense and still respect the character to have her gain flight in her upcoming solo film rather than already have that power in this one.

 

[dahj]

^^
Her solo film appears to be a prequel, so she likely won't fly there either.

 

[JD]

I don't think most people knew or cared which super-heroes belonged to which company before. I remember people asking why Superman wasn't in the Avengers a few years ago. 2016 might actually be the year that a lot of this knowledge becomes mainstream.

Oh yeah, my mother enjoys the Marvel movies, and for a long time I had to keep explaining to her which characters are theirs and which are DC.

 

[theenglish]

^^
Her solo film appears to be a prequel, so she likely won't fly there either.

I thought that only the first part of that film was supposed to be in the past?

 

[JD]

I'm not sure if it's ever been officially announced either way, but so far everything we've seen from it has been WWI era.

 

[theenglish]

Oh yeah, my mother enjoys the Marvel movies, and for a long time I had to keep explaining to her which characters are theirs and which are DC.

I still do that with my wife for the minor characters. There are so many overlapping characters, Hawkeye/Green Arrow, Ant-Man/Atom, that I see why people get confused. At the end of Avengers, I was explaining to her who Thanos was and she was thinking that he was the guy who fights Superman.

 

[STEPhon IT]

I do think color variations would help viewers to identify characters better. Having characters where similar shades of dark can be confusing to differentiate. Avengers 2's sins were not to keep Rhodes in the Iron Patriot colors, or giving Falcon more color than just black. At the end of the movie I was disappointed watching those new band of Avengers; I was happy to the scene was cut when Steve Rogers didn't complete Avengers Assemble.

The Russos are doing everything right IMO for Civil War, I can better differentiate who's who in the films just by the trailers. These guys will do justice to Avengers I think.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Yeah there's a lot of benefits to a big, connected superhero universe, but you also take the risk of everything starting to feel too bland and samey-samey in tone as well after awhile. Which is something many people (including myself) feel is happening with Marvel.

Do you really believe that? Winter Soldier feels the same as Ant-Man which feels the same as Daredevil which feels the same as Guardians which feels the same as Jessica Jones which feels the same as Agent Carter?

You can mix up tone easily. Sharing a universe has absolutely zero to do with this. That's a decision that comes from a totally different place.

 

[davejames]

Do you really believe that? Winter Soldier feels the same as Ant-Man which feels the same as Daredevil which feels the same as Guardians which feels the same as Jessica Jones which feels the same as Agent Carter?

You can mix up tone easily. Sharing a universe has absolutely zero to do with this. That's a decision that comes from a totally different place.

Well Winter Soldier, Daredevil, and Jessica Jones I would definitely say are exceptions (being much more grounded and realistic), but the rest all seem to be variations of the same jokey, comic booky style and all kind of have this safe, factory-made feel to them with the same musical scores and the same visual look, etc.

And I'm just frankly starting to get a bit bored with seeing the exact same world again and again.

 

[Skywalker]

but the rest all seem to be variations of the same jokey, comic booky style

No kiddin'.

 

[Taylirious]

I still do that with my wife for the minor characters. There are so many overlapping characters, Hawkeye/Green Arrow, Ant-Man/Atom, that I see why people get confused. At the end of Avengers, I was explaining to her who Thanos was and she was thinking that he was the guy who fights Superman.

But everyone better know who The GD Batman is!

 

[M.A.C.O.]

But everyone better know who The GD Batman is!

Of they know. They're also coming to know who Red Batman is too.

Both of which have surprisingly been played by Ben Affleck. HA!

 

[Set Harth]

Avengers 2's sins were not to keep Rhodes in the Iron Patriot colors

Ugh.

At the end of the movie I was disappointed watching those new band of Avengers

It felt like someone was missing...