‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

[AvBaur]

The article doesn't actually say, but I assume this is referring only to the opening weekend. Even if this is a FF-like failure (extremely unlikely), it'll still make more than 7.3 overall.

They mean a 7.3m profit, not a 7.3m gross. It's obviously gonna gross several hundred million dollars, but (according to the algorithm) it may end up not making more than it cost to make and market.

So, I think we have motive from McWeeney. Lmao this is too funny. A now deleted tweet. [image]

That's a photoshopped fake. It doesn't even have the @-handle at the beginning of the reply.

It's really absurd what lengths people will go to just to "protect" some massive corporate movie that they haven't even seen.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

^ So sad. I was having a good laugh about it.

 

[davejames]

It seriously baffles me how anybody could possibly think a movie with Batman and Superman together on screen could possibly fail, people have been wanting to see that for decades. Add on to that Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Cyborg, Flash, and the fact that it's a set up for the JL movie, and you've got even more stuff people want to see on the big screen for the first time.
Hell, the Guardians of the Galaxy and Deadpool were both huge hits, and they don't have anywhere near the pop culture presence as Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman or The Flash. Cyborg might be closer to the GotG and Deadpool's level, but I think the other characters can cancel out his lower pop culture presence several times over.

Well to be fair, those Marvel movies are kind of engineered to be as light and fun and rewatchable as possible. Something a lot more dark and serious like MOS and BvS may not have the same kind of appeal for many people unfortunately, so while they'll obviously flock in huge numbers early on because of all the iconic characters, it's a little harder to say whether they'll want to keep going back.

Of course BvS does have more going for it than MOS did, with the inclusion of Batman and WW and the fact we don't have to sit through another origin story. So that should help quite a bit...

 

[Mudd]

After Deadpool I don't think I can stomach another Disney Marvel flick.

 

[JD]

They mean a 7.3m profit, not a 7.3m gross. It's obviously gonna gross several hundred million dollars, but (according to the algorithm) it may end up not making more than it cost to make and market.

That makes a lot more sense.

 

[Corran Horn]

After Deadpool I don't think I can stomach another Disney Marvel flick.

yabbut I have a feeling somebody's gonna be filling your empty seat.

I think people rightfully wonder about DC doing the reverse of Marvel's MCU plan. The points in DC's favor are the obvious successes of the Nolan Batman films (certainly not bright and shiny and happy) and the financial success of Man of Steel. DC can pretty obviously point to Superman Returns as their 'try' at things the MCU way and that didn't quite work out for them.

Would it be better to have a single Wonder Woman or Aquaman movie before any ensemble movie? I have to believe even Aquaman is more well-known than Iron Man was before the first film. If you make Avengers first people would wonder who Iron Man was I'd say. DC's Justice League chars don't have that problem in the main.

 

[JD]

I would Green Lantern would be an even better example of DC trying to do a Marvel style movie, and having it bomb.

 

[davejames]

Would it be better to have a single Wonder Woman or Aquaman movie before any ensemble movie? I have to believe even Aquaman is more well-known than Iron Man was before the first film. If you make Avengers first people would wonder who Iron Man was I'd say. DC's Justice League chars don't have that problem in the main.

Yeah it doesn't seem quite as necessary for the Justice League, I don't think. Even without any prior movies, most people are already familiar with the main members of Supes, Batman and WW. And the other characters shouldn't be that difficult to set up or explain within the movie itself (one can run really fast, one is the king of the sea, and the other is half-man/half-machine, the end).

Plus it's not like Avengers needed a whole movie to introduce Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver beforehand, or X-Men needed a whole movie to introduce Colossus or whoever.

 

[dahj]

Something a lot more dark and serious like MOS and BvS may not have the same kind of appeal for many people unfortunately

I don't think it will be as dark and serious as people think it to be, hell, Civil War's trailers are more dark and serious than BvS.

 

[STEPhon IT]

I think it's a calculating mistake for Zack Snyder to not make the effort to make the TV universe canon with the movies. I've been watching The Flash, and Supergirl hoping those characters would make appearances in the films. Snyder official let it known the TV stuff is from another Earth, which to me lessons my investment in those characters and make me less interested in what Snyder does.
I appreciate the stuff Marvel films are doing with their properties because Jessica Jones, Power Man, Daredevil, and Shield could appear in the Marvel films, and I love that. Dark themes are fine but I don't want it in every movie; the good producers knows how to mix it up. Batman can be handled any way as long as the character is true. Superman should never be handled in a dark fashion, the character is uplifting and any director who doesn't understand that shouldn't be filming Superman.
I think Zack Snyder was the wrong choice for the DC cinematic Universe films, I doubt the BvS metropolis subplot with Batman was by design. It was spawned because of the high level of disgust from viewers having Superman allow such building destruction and not be concerned for human lives, and making Superman kill Zod was another strike against the director.
I hope Ben Affleck, a better filmmaker than Snyder, starts his Batman film and directs a film which start an appropriate DC universe set of films which could lead a JL movie right IMO.

 

[eyeresist]

Well to be fair, those Marvel movies are kind of engineered to be as light and fun and rewatchable as possible. Something a lot more dark and serious like MOS and BvS may not have the same kind of appeal for many people unfortunately, so while they'll obviously flock in huge numbers early on because of all the iconic characters, it's a little harder to say whether they'll want to keep going back.

I agree, but in terms of differentiating themselves from Marvel, it's either go darker (can we call it comic-opera?) or go with making outright comedy movies. It's often been said that Marvel heroes are more human in their dramatic essence, whereas DC heroes are more god-like, i.e. more representative of elemental values. Lex even points this out in the trailer: "God versus man, day versus night." I can't think of any Marvel team-up for which these words would be equally appropriate.

The DC films almost certainly won't make as much money as Marvel's. But then, bland pop music makes a lot more money than the less easily digestible alternatives. I think the DC producers have decided they're okay with that.

(Except Green Lantern. I don't think there's any way to make a successful Green Lantern movie, and I hope DC doesn't try.)

I don't think it's going to fail, but I don't think it's going to be a huge success. If they're expecting fans of the Nolan films to go just because it's got Batman... well, I won't guarantee I'm representative of the broader audience, but I'm certainly not planning on seeing BvS.

I'd say the set of Batman fans is a fair bit larger than the set of Nolan Batman film fans.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Henry Cavill talks about the Marvel vs DC debate.

https://twitter.com/Kytheese/status/699237139297521664

It's nice to know that Superman is above these things.


But some people want this to be the reality.

 

[Commander Richard]

^ He almost looks like Ben Affleck in that clip.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

^ He almost looks like Ben Affleck in that clip.

Insert joke about Hollywoodland.
Where Ben Affleck played George Reeves (who played Superman in the 50s) and Diana Lane played Tonni Mannix (Reeves' mistress).

Hahaha

 

[Skywalker]

That's basically the same thing Kevin Feige always says when people ask him how he feels about the DC movies.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

The rip on Fantastic Four tagged onto the clip kind of undercuts the message.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I can't believe Marvel vs. DC is even still a thing.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

I can't believe Marvel vs. DC is even still a thing.

Oh yeah mate. It never ends. Jamie Alexander waded into the M v DC debate a few days ago.

http://variety.com/2016/film/featur...r-lady-sif-blindspot-wonder-woman-1201707282/

 

[dahj]

I can't believe Marvel vs. DC is even still a thing.

It has not even begun in full. Wait till the movies come out...

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Well, she didn't fly originally, did she?

Neither did Superman...

I would guess it has at least a bit to do with differentiation. At a glance a lot of WW's powers seem like they're copied from Superman (even if that's at times entirely unfair, since Superman's powers grew over time, as well) and Wonder Woman is supposed to be the first great, independent female superhero, so some people will naturally want to downplay some things that might be confused as being less original, especially given dc's track record with female copies of male heroes (Supergirl, Powergirl, Hawkgirl, Batgirl, Batwoman, etc). In that regard, the superstrength and the flight are the most obvious characteristics, and the superstrength is a lot more integral to the character than the flight, so that's what tends to go. Then, over time, it becomes self-repeating, since multiple previous incarnations have already said she can't fly.