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‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

Having finally watched the trailer instead of pics and gifs I have to agree that the combat is very Arkham. It has me itchin' a little to play the last game which I haven't gotten around to yet.

I wonder if that batsuit can fly because it would seem Supes would have an innate advantage once he figues it out.
 
The big problem with Superman has always been that he is overpowered. He didn't start that way, and a few attempts have been made to "fix" it, but I don't think they've stuck. Does the effectiveness of the Bat mech suit mean they have addressed this, or does Bats have some special gimmick, e.g. a Kryptonite alloy?
 
The big problem with Superman has always been that he is overpowered. He didn't start that way, and a few attempts have been made to "fix" it, but I don't think they've stuck. Does the effectiveness of the Bat mech suit mean they have addressed this, or does Bats have some special gimmick, e.g. a Kryptonite alloy?
He's had time to prepare. Superman is toast.
 
The sense I got from MOS is that this Superman isn't quite as all-powerful as in the Reeve or Routh movies. We saw him clearly struggling just to hold up a falling crane at the start of the movie, so it's doubtful he'd be able to lift, say, an entire island into space, like we saw in SR.
 
The big problem with Superman has always been that he is overpowered. He didn't start that way, and a few attempts have been made to "fix" it, but I don't think they've stuck. Does the effectiveness of the Bat mech suit mean they have addressed this, or does Bats have some special gimmick, e.g. a Kryptonite alloy?
The problem isn't that Superman is too powerful. The problem is writers can't work with Superman's strengths and imagine challenges for him to overcome. Compare Superman to Thor, and all the things Thor's hammer can do. Physically, Thor and Superman are nearly even.

Looking at Mjlonir it has a list of abilities, such as:
Power of flight
Move at FTL speeds
Teleportation
Transformation
Weather manipulation
Casting lightning
Time travel
Energy absorption and reflection
Transmutation of elements and phasing
Healing
and many more, I'm sure.
You could argue that Mjlonir is more of a magic wand, rather than an enchanted hammer.

During the Silver Age, Superman had nearly infinite power, and was essentially a walking deus ex machina. There was no power he didn't have that couldn't get him out of a jam.

While Superman and Thor have both lost a significant degree of their Silver Age strengths, Thor's hammer can still do all the things I've listed, when the writer wants to do those things. Superman has been depowered to "believable" levels (he doesn't have the strength to "juggle planets like they're marbles" anymore and he can't time travel or change the past (seen in Superman TM and various Superman and Superboy/LOSH comics). And yet Superman is still labeled as being overpowered, when a character like Thor is not.

There are NUMEROUS interpretations by various writers who all think they have to depower Superman further to make him relatable or in order to create drama for him. It's a self imposed box, imo, because those stories lack any imagination to challenge the character forthright, or set him on an adventure that would test his mettle. It's thinking like this which has given us scores of Superman origin stories. Because the writers love to wax poetic about what the character could mean going forward, but don't have the imagination to tell stories beyond the origin.


It's a vicious cycle, and I think it's why the character of Superman has struggled for the past 2 decades. No one wants to do the big stories anymore, and no one is committed enough to stay on the project for more than 12 issues (a year) in order to chart out a course for the character. You look at how long people like JMS (The Amazing Spider-Man), John Byrne (FF, X-Men, WC Avengers), Ed Brubaker (Captain America), Walter Simonson (Thor) Geoff Johns (JSA, GL, TT, Flash), George Perez (WW) and Marv Wolfman with Perez (Teen Titans), Grant Morrison (JLA, multiple Batman titles simultaneously) and other stayed on their respective titles and gave it there all. They all stayed on for years, and cranked out some of the best stories for these characters. The last Superman had something like that was in the 90s during The Man of Steel run (most famously Death, Reign and Return of Superman) with Roger Stern (Avengers and Spectacular Spider-Man) and Dan Jurgens (Thor).
 
I like the Arkham combat. Gun disabling is great, too. Darkness would've been nice to see. Combination of those along with surprise is one of the few ways Batman could take on a dozen or so peeps.
 
The problem isn't that Superman is too powerful.

No when you actually look at some of the powers he has, he kind of is over powered. Seriously when people keep groaning about kryptonite showing up its usually becuase they don't seem to notice its so the villains actually pose something of a threat to the guy.

The real problem is that the man got a whole bunch of bullshit powers in the silver age and his fan base can't accept that they're bullshit and never should have been added.

Looking at Mjlonir it has a list of abilities, such as:
Power of flight
Move at FTL speeds
Teleportation
Transformation
Weather manipulation
Casting lightning
Time travel
Energy absorption and reflection
Transmutation of elements and phasing
Healing
and many more, I'm sure.
You could argue that Mjlonir is more of a magic wand, rather than an enchanted hammer.

Most of which have been dropped from the movies. He basically only has flight and shooting lightning from it. And I wouldn't be surprised if the comics forget about most of those as well.
 
The Batman fight stuff in the trailer really is pretty great!

It looks like behind the scenes, WB is a bit worried about the movie, though: http://www.hitfix.com/the-dartboard...-be-in-jeopardy-fandemonium?hf_headline=14517
According to some fatty who breathes way too loud? He provides no real sources, just says "I think...." a lot. Then starts rambling about how the order of the movies could be switched around, whatevs. :shrug:

The reaction to the trailers has been for the most part pretty great. Batman vs Superman is a movie just about every person who grew up reading comic books wanted to see. I'd bet the studio execs are licking their chops at the money they're about to make from BvsS and Suicide Squad this year.

Comic book movies are pretty hot these days, maybe he just hasn't heard that.
 
The Batman fight stuff in the trailer really is pretty great!

It looks like behind the scenes, WB is a bit worried about the movie, though: http://www.hitfix.com/the-dartboard...-be-in-jeopardy-fandemonium?hf_headline=14517

According to some fatty who breathes way too loud? He provides no real sources, just says "I think...." a lot. Then starts rambling about how the order of the movies could be switched around, whatevs. :shrug:

The reaction to the trailers has been for the most part pretty great. Batman vs Superman is a movie just about every person who grew up reading comic books wanted to see. I'd bet the studio execs are licking their chops at the money they're about to make from BvsS and Suicide Squad this year.

Comic book movies are pretty hot these days, maybe he just hasn't heard that.

McWeeny also reported on DC's "No Jokes" policy and said that Mad Max Fury Road was looking to be a disappointment before the movie came out. The guy has been wrong about a lot of things, and like most internet "jurnalizts" probably makes up things in order to get buzz going and hope that people visit his site or a studio releases something official.
 
McWeeny also reported on DC's "No Jokes" policy and said that Mad Max Fury Road was looking to be a disappointment before the movie came out. The guy has been wrong about a lot of things, and like most internet "jurnalizts" probably makes up things in order to get buzz going and hope that people visit his site or a studio releases something official.

A user on another board I visit wrote a fan-script for MoS in 2012 based on what was known and rumored at the time. McWeeny reviewed it, only he said it was the actual script for the movie.
 
The real problem is that the man got a whole bunch of bullshit powers in the silver age and his fan base can't accept that they're bullshit and never should have been added.

I don't know, from what I've seen most of the comics and movies of the past 20 years have kept it pretty much to the basics: flight, superspeed, superstrength, superhearing, heatvision and freeze-breath. I haven't seen many of the more outlandish silver-age powers in a while (super-ventriloquism, super-hypnotism, the ability to see events on far distant alien planets, etc).

And in fact characters like the Flash can do FAR more crazy and ridiculous things with their powers than Superman can, as we're starting to see more and more of on the CW show.
 
I don't know, from what I've seen most of the comics and movies of the past 20 years have kept it pretty much to the basics: flight, superspeed, superstrength, superhearing, heatvision and freeze-breath. I haven't seen many of the more outlandish silver-age powers in a while (super-ventriloquism, super-hypnotism, the ability to see events on far distant alien planets, etc).
Apart from Superman's more "magical" powers, I'd say his basic story-breaking powers are invulnerability, and his essentially unlimited strength, speed and stamina. You could change all these while still keeping him god-like compared to ordinary humans.
 
Nobody but Jon Peters wants to see a Superman movie where Superman doesn't fly.

'Smallville' went on for ten seasons, and all everybody was basically waiting for was to see him put on the suit and fly. Dammit, I'll never get those 152 hours back!
 
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No when you actually look at some of the powers he has, he kind of is over powered. Seriously when people keep groaning about kryptonite showing up its usually becuase they don't seem to notice its so the villains actually pose something of a threat to the guy.
The easiest solution to that is don't rely on villains that need Kryptonite to have an edge on Superman. There is Brainiac, Parasite, Livewire, Mongul, Silver Banshee, BIzarro, Zod, Darkseid and other who all get by without K. In the Silver Age, they created multicolored variations of K as a way to sidestep the redundancy of using the green K all the time. However, this didn't really fix the problem, as you can imagine.

The real problem is that the man got a whole bunch of bullshit powers in the silver age and his fan base can't accept that they're bullshit and never should have been added.
What you say is partially true. I say partially because people like Mark Waid (who was critical of the resolution of MOS) said that as a writer, they can give Superman as many and whatever power they want. Since he's imaginary, and the rules don't apply to made up characters. Certain writers want Superman to maintain a level of impossible abilities and don't care what the consequences are to his character because of it. None of these writers however, advocate that other characters they write (Daredevil, Batman, Spider-Man, Iron Man etc) should have these kinds of plot maguffins to remove tension and consequences.


Most of which have been dropped from the movies. He basically only has flight and shooting lightning from it. And I wouldn't be surprised if the comics forget about most of those as well.
Movie Thor is limited, but comic Thor flucuates. Since Thor is magic, they justify him having all the extravagant powers I list and more. When the plot of story line becomes inconvenient (and it's normally when Thor is on the Avengers) he's dialed down to "believable levels. Otherwise, Thor would curb stomp any threat he and the Avengers face.
 
Silver age and overpowered Superman aside; that vicious opening scene was not a Batman I'd expect Christian Bale, George Clooney, Val Kimer, Michael Keaton or Adam West to stand a chance against
 
McWeeny also reported on DC's "No Jokes" policy and said that Mad Max Fury Road was looking to be a disappointment before the movie came out. The guy has been wrong about a lot of things, and like most internet "jurnalizts" probably makes up things in order to get buzz going and hope that people visit his site or a studio releases something official.
I think he said the same thing about Fury Road that he said about BvS: that WB was worried. And from everything I've heard, they certainly were. That does NOT mean the movie's bad, of course. It just means they think it'll make less money than they wanted it to.

I've been reading McWeeny's stuff for a while, and he takes his craft pretty seriously. His sources may be wrong sometimes, but I don't think he'd just make up stuff out of thin air to get hits.
 
I think he said the same thing about Fury Road that he said about BvS: that WB was worried. And from everything I've heard, they certainly were. That does NOT mean the movie's bad, of course. It just means they think it'll make less money than they wanted it to.

I've been reading McWeeny's stuff for a while, and he takes his craft pretty seriously. His sources may be wrong sometimes, but I don't think he'd just make up stuff out of thin air to get hits.
Well there are other things he's been flat out wrong about too. Like Joseph Gordon Levitt being Batman in the JL movie, his review of a "leaked script" for MOS back in 2012, that turned out to be a fan script. and Casino Royale (James Bond) expecting to be a disappointment to MGM back in 2006.


Just think about all the rumors we've heard about not just BvS, but other comics book movies as well.

Wonder Woman is Kryptonian.
Scoot McNairy is the Flash.
DC has a no joke policy for all their movies.
There is going to be a Superman, Wonder Woman and Lois Lane love triangle.
Jena Malone is playing Carrie Kelly.
The Joker in Suicide Squad is actually Jason Todd.
Chris Pine being cast as Hal Jordan for GL.
Spider-Man having a post-credit scene in Ant-Man.
Asa Butterfield's "confirmed" casting as Spider-Man
Rhodey dying in Age of Ultron.
The synopsis for Suicide Squad "leaking" online, but it turns out the author of the article just lifted the summary from one of DC's animated movies "Assault on Arkham".
Captain America will allegedly die in Civil War but will be brought back to life by Dr. Strange.

And i'm sure there are a whole host of others that I am forgetting, but I think you get the point. These type of journalists have been making up bs about upcoming movies everyone is excited for, but none of these rumors, which they claimed "were sourced" have been true. I'm of the opinion that when there is no news, they make some up to get things buzzing and get clicks to their websites. You look at the timing of the most recent BvS rumor, and it drops after WB released a new and final trailer to get everyone jazzed up about the movie 35 days away. It seems more like the author was projecting his own uncertainties and reservations as "rumored and sourced" fact.Rumor being the trapdoor to escape accountability if his claims turnout not to be true.

These types of articles and journalists haven't been right about anything so far, and given the quantity of false rumors we've had, I think we should ignore them going forward.
 
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