There's an old line from an almost definitely relegated movie...
"It's like masturbating with a cheese grater, sightly amusing, but mostly painful."
There's an old line from an almost definitely relegated movie...
"It's like masturbating with a cheese grater, sightly amusing, but mostly painful."
Ah, so good old fashioned masochism then
I don't find the show itself as a whole uninteresting, but I found many (not all) of the characters to range somewhere between boring and annoying.
I watch Star Trek because I am a Trekkie, and I always hope for the best.
A Trek show that does not engage me at first still deserves a chance to win me over. (Prodigy and Lower Decks both did this.)
Or a show can perhaps entertain me at first, but slowly sink over time to become something I stick with hoping that it will swing upwards again. (Discovery and Picard did this. Strange New Worlds is currently in this slot too, and my fingers are very crossed.)
Will season two of Academy win me over? It's certainly possible. I suspect it won't, but I would very much like it to.
Signed, an eternally cynical optimist.
Edit P.S. Non-Trek (or I should perhaps say 'non-franchise') shows get waaaay less leeway though. I've given up on many shows very quickly once I get the sense that they're not for me.
I keep watching Star Trek even when I'm not enjoying it because a: I want to know what happens next in the saga, b: the series have historically gotten better after a bad start, and c: I've seen about 950 episodes already so it would be kind of weird to stop now.
Sunk cost fallacy going by comments online.
I came into the show with the hope of having something that was fun to watch. There were fun moments. I liked Nahla Ake, Jett Reno, Lura Thok, and the Doctor. I wanted to like the other main characters; however, I found it hard to relate to them.
The issues for me were the story, the plot, and the pacing. I have seen many other streaming shows, some more successful than others. The more successful ones know how to work within the shortened season, telling compelling stories with strong characterization. Examples would be Deadloch, Season 2, and One Piece, Season 2. I am perpetually bewildered and frustrated on the Star Trek's writers' inability, after 10 years, to do the same. How is that they keep missing the mark?
I am not overly fussy on 32nd technology and, so I can believe what Nus Braka did in the final two episodes. I didn't need the details - I could figure it out on my own if I wanted to. The thing that gets me was that they failed to build up the threat of his character in the other eight episodes. For the last episodes to work, I felt this was critically needed to give credibility to what he was doing.
Then, they could have done more with the trial. Be it a real trial with defense lawyers and prosecutors. Have Nahla Ake deal with an issue that was not personal and that mattered to the audience Nus Braka brought to the trial. Make her be like the action hero, who is pummeled over and over by the antagonist yet still stands strong and defeats them.
This was not the worst season of Star Trek. It was a ho-hum season.
The issues for me were the story, the plot, and the pacing. I have seen many other streaming shows, some more successful than others. The more successful ones know how to work within the shortened season, telling compelling stories with strong characterization. Examples would be Deadloch, Season 2, and One Piece, Season 2. I am perpetually bewildered and frustrated on the Star Trek's writers' inability, after 10 years, to do the same. How is that they keep missing the mark?
I am not overly fussy on 32nd technology and, so I can believe what Nus Braka did in the final two episodes. I didn't need the details - I could figure it out on my own if I wanted to. The thing that gets me was that they failed to build up the threat of his character in the other eight episodes. For the last episodes to work, I felt this was critically needed to give credibility to what he was doing.
Then, they could have done more with the trial. Be it a real trial with defense lawyers and prosecutors. Have Nahla Ake deal with an issue that was not personal and that mattered to the audience Nus Braka brought to the trial. Make her be like the action hero, who is pummeled over and over by the antagonist yet still stands strong and defeats them.
This was not the worst season of Star Trek. It was a ho-hum season.
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Pretty much felt the same way.
Also the whole mine thing was completely stupid and not believable even in the world of Star Trek. It ranks right up there with the Burn and the turbo lift interior nonsense....
Which's why I elect to ignore 90% of current movies and 95% of new TV.
same here. I sat through the first two seasons of ENT, and thankfully i think it did get better in season 3 and 4.
I sat through S31, yeah, i can't really defend that one
I can't think of Section 31 (the show we never got, not the movie) and not think of the lost potential, much like Voyager. Clearly, the entire premise of the show wasn't going to be Section 31 doing dirty deeds under the table for the Federation, much as Enterprise season 3 wasn't just about the Enterprise going out and kicking Xindi ass. At some point, the characters were going to say, "no that's a line I'm not going to cross, even for the Federation".
I mean, ultimately I felt that the storytellers did have something to say other than, "everybody needs a CIA equivalent". That was just the starting point. I was envisioning that they would examine the cost versus benefit of the scenarios and if Section 31's actions and existence were really necessary (they're not). And I looked forward to the character arcs where they came to that realization and acted upon it.
I saw a real potential for a O'Brien/Bashir Odd Couple-style friendship between Georgiou and Garrett, where they each draw each other a little towards the center so to speak.
In short, I felt the concept had real potential in telling a different kind of Star Trek story that was still Star Trek at the end of the day. At the end of the day, some of the best Star Trek stories have been when the ideals of the Federation have been tested. Striving for a better society makes for a better drama than having the characters stare out the window and say, "look at my perfect society". Utopia should be the endpoint of the story, not the beginning point.
But, yeah, there was no way in hell you were going to fit all of that into a 90-minute movie condensed from 10 hours of scripts.
Once they knew they were going to do a movie instead of a show they really should have done a full re-write instead of just cutting and pasting scenes from the 10 episode first season.
This has a lot to do with it.
If the show was set shortly after PIC instead of after DIS, it might have been better received. As there's still a lot of affinity for that era. Instead, they tried to make the audience love a setting - the 32nd Century - that they either did not like or cared for. And had been clear about for years.
Honestly, even if we had gotten Legacy instead of SFA, it would likely still be getting cancelled right now anyway.
They only needed five words to completely sell me on Legacy and make it my most wanted of the possible projects: "takes place shortly after Picard".
Plus it was apparently going to involve a spaceship? Holy shit, it's ticked all the right boxes already, they don't even need to say more!
Seriously, I'm sick of prequels and far future stories and stories about kids, I just want them to get back to regular Star Trek already.
Plus it was apparently going to involve a spaceship? Holy shit, it's ticked all the right boxes already, they don't even need to say more!
Seriously, I'm sick of prequels and far future stories and stories about kids, I just want them to get back to regular Star Trek already.
So...Star Trek Online then...
Nobody wants a Sulu series except for George Takei.
Picard season 3 for the Kelvin cast?
I'd say that's not a TV show, but they just did that Enterprise bundle documentary episode so I don't even know any more.
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