‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’
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Not sure why they're bothering to hide the costume. We all know what it looks like by now.
Jeez, the "consequences of his actions"? Why do people always make it sound like he leveled the entire city of Metropolis by himself? Lol
Yeah I can certainly see him feeling some guilt over the destruction that occurred, and even how he inadvertently lured Zod to Earth in the first place. But this continual suggestion that he's somehow fully to blame, or that he was nothing but a complete, miserable failure in the movie -- despite the fact he nearly killed himself to stop the World Engine and then managed to stop Zod from destroying all life on Earth-- just continues to baffle me.
Jeez, the "consequences of his actions"? Why do people always make it sound like he leveled the entire city of Metropolis by himself? Lol
Yeah I can certainly see him feeling some guilt over the destruction that occurred, and even how he inadvertently lured Zod to Earth in the first place. But this continual suggestion that he's somehow fully to blame, or that he was nothing but a complete, miserable failure in the movie -- despite the fact he nearly killed himself to stop the World Engine and then managed to stop Zod from destroying all life on Earth-- just continues to baffle me.
That new haircut makes Henry look like Christopher Reeve.
I never said Superman is completely to blame. I just think his total disregard of life should be addressed in Batman vs. Superman. I think the only people he saved during the Metropolis battle was Lois Lane and that poor family at the end. I think the ending would felt less like torture porn if he actually tried to save a few people during his endless fight with Zod, but I've covered this countless times. I know people will disagree with me.
What I was getting at is that I want to see some character development on Superman's end. I want to see him fleshed out into the superhero that we know and love. In Man of Steel, he's still figuring out who he is (which is why I don't completely blame him for the destruction). It would be nice to see Superman inhabit some of the characteristic traits that we've come to love and expect from him. It would also be nice to see a Superman that seemed to actually care about the citizens of Metropolis - y'know, the people he's supposed to protect.
On a completely separate issue, I'd also love to see a development of the Clark Kent persona, which was only introduced at the tail end of Man of Steel. I am very interested to see what Henry Cavill's take is because I assume he's not going to bumbling buffoon route that Christopher Reeve & Brandon Routh did. I have a feeling it'll be more in line with Dean Cain and Tom Welling.
He wasn't even in Metropolis for the bulk of the battle. He was taking care of the world engine over the Indian Ocean. You know, the thing that was actually going to destroy the world. Then when he got to Metropolis, he had Zod to take care of. The psychotic guy with superpowers attacking you doesn't really give you much chance to help bystanders. He may be Superman, but he can't be everywhere and do everything at once.
The ending felt like torture porn to you? I'm not even sure where you're getting that.
This and this again.
One of the reasons I walked away from MOS with a bad taste in my mouth, at the end, he shed more tears for Zod than he did the 1000s who died. When he walked into the Daily Planet, or dealt with the General and the satellite, that wasn't a man haunted by death, by people he couldn't save. It was business as usual as if the total carnage of Metropolis--which was reduced to dust in places, hadn't happened.
It was destruction without emotional consequences.
He's not alone in feeling that way. He's not an outlier in his opinion.
Insert Shawarma scene in the ruined NYC restaurant. Destruction without consequences, right here folks.
What should Superman have done? Spent the last few moments of his film weeping over the loss thousands he wasn't able to save? Maybe Snyder should've given Supes the time travel power from his Silver Age incarnation and have him undo the events of the film. Pull a deus ex machina out of their hat at the last minute.
Leaked photos pf BvS show them building a large Superman Statue, and Snyder stated he will address the death toll and reaction to it in BvS. One film can't be all things to all people. Nor can wrap up /address all things in one film.
Like Tony developing PTSD in IM3 from the events in Avengers.
Or Batman wearing a leg harness in TDKR, after that fall he took in the end of TDK.
Or the resolution of Peter Parker's story with his parents first teased in TASM and concluded in TASM2.
I could go on but I won't.
Uh you have a several incoming phone calls.
Pacific Rim, Star Trek Into Darkness, Transformers 3 &4, The Dark Knight Rises, Guardians of the Galaxy and Avengers/Agents of Shield called. They said if you'd like to comment on the level of destruction in those films and how they all glossed over the loss of life; it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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For me it would have been as simple as a headline at the Planet and/or a news program on about Superman leading rescue and repair efforts in the background during the final scene. No dialogue change to the final scene necessary.
For me it would have been as simple as a headline at the Planet and/or a news program on about Superman leading rescue and repair efforts in the background during the final scene. No dialogue change to the final scene necessary.
This.
The problem with the destruction in Man of Steel wasn't so much the actions of the characters in the film, but that Synder and Goyer wrote that level of destruction into the film and filmed it in such a way as to emphasize the brutality of it.
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What?
Massive amounts of destruction are pretty much tailored for Superman. Far more so than characters like Batman. He's basically a god who's only ever really challenged by other god-like beings (including Lex Luthor, who's not above doing god-like damage to defeat him).
The problem is that he didn't care that he was doing massive amounts of destruction. I don't believe he once even tried to take the fight out into the middle of nowhere, and he sure as shit didn't stop to help people (not including a couple military guys who, crass as it may seem, signed up to get killed in wartime, unlike alllll those civilians that got turned into salsa).
Massive amounts of destruction are pretty much tailored for Superman. Far more so than characters like Batman. He's basically a god who's only ever really challenged by other god-like beings (including Lex Luthor, who's not above doing god-like damage to defeat him).
The problem is that he didn't care that he was doing massive amounts of destruction. I don't believe he once even tried to take the fight out into the middle of nowhere, and he sure as shit didn't stop to help people (not including a couple military guys who, crass as it may seem, signed up to get killed in wartime, unlike alllll those civilians that got turned into salsa).
^ Pretty much this. With god like powers, Superman has scores of enemies who are capable of throwing down with him. And because of that there is a lot of collateral damage.
Zod, Doomsday, Metallo, Bizarro, Mongul, Darkseid, Cyborg Superman, Titano, Mxyzsptlk, Brainiac.
The destruction in MOS is nothing new to the Superman mythos.
I counted the number of buildings Superman and Zod crashed through during their final fight in the skies above Metropolis.
Total of 9 buildings
Supes through/pushed Zod into 2
Zod pushed Superman into 6
The last one (the Grand Central Station type building) they both fell in to from space.
@Bold
Space is a vacuum and the fight did transition there.
I agree we probably could have seen some of those moments afterwards, but to me that's more a problem with the editing and how the movie jumped forward too much in time.
The last thing I conclude from that is that Superman was truly being cold and indifferent and didn't give a shit about the destruction. It seemed pretty obvious to me that his assistance to the victims and those moments of reflection DID happen, but simply off screen (because honestly, do people really think this Superman WOULDN'T have helped with the rescue effort or clean up afterwards? I mean, really??)
I primarily blame the writing and direction.
Uh, okay.
In my opinion, that's a lot to infer. The Superman that was portrayed in Man of Steel didn't seem to really care about saving people, although maybe that'll change in the next movie.
People have every right to believe he wouldn't have helped with the rescue effort because nothing was implied or shown to suggest that. This is a movie, after all. Not a book or TV show. It's a visual medium. Show, don't tell. Etc. We weren't even told he helped with the relief effort. The last thing we saw was Superman destroying a government satellite. Even after the events of the battle of Metropolis and killing Zod, he's still destroying things.
Insert Shawarma scene in the ruined NYC restaurant. Destruction without consequences, right here folks.
That's right, because the tone of the Avengers was SO much like the tone of MOS.
I don't know... maybe showing up to help dig out a few people? A couple of shots of him helping to rebuild... A few shots of him realizing, "wow, with great power comes great responsibility."
Wow---that was SO hard to come up with...
It's a lovely straw man you got going there. Keep fucking that chicken.
I wonder if he decided to address the death toll because a LOT of people were saying, "hey, Superman was a dick in your last movie."
Yeah, again, because the Avengers is just like MOS.
Yeah, because Batman was walking around whistling a happy tune like nothing happened at the end of TDK.
I haven't seen those--I don't go to crap.
BUT, in SM at the end, he learns the consequences of his actions, and yet, there was a sequel.
I'm not arguing that everything should be wrapped up, but, MOS fell short. Why should I have to wait two years to find out how he FELT about the fucking destruction.
Synder doesn't know how to do emotion, or characters that do arcs. He knows how to do visuals and that's it.
I don't mind, keep going.
Star Trek Into Darkness... you mean that funeral scene at the end?
Pacific Rim... honestly, it's a shitty movie and I don't remember.
The Dark Knight Rises... we have those moments at the end with Bruce and Selene, we have Robin picking up the mantle, we have closure, we have reflection. And not QUITE the mass destruction as scene in MOS. Again, Metropolis was turned to DUST.
Transformers.... 1. Haven't seen them 2. Tonally they are the same as MOS?
Guardians of the Galaxy... 1. We hear about people getting out of the city, 2. We see Rocket defending the city 3. Tonally it's the same as MOS?
Avengers... tonally it's the... Sigh. Now you are just making me repeat myself.
So, uh, I think, heh heh, it was pretty funny with your... heh heh, phone calls for me... but, uh, they don't uh, make the point you think they are making... but, I'm glad you like MOS.
So what, he was just destroying the World Engine and battling Zod and his army for the fun of it or something? Lol
We saw Superman not only save Lois multiple times, but a busload of children, a crew of oil rig operators, a bunch of soldiers, and oh yeah, the entire friggin panet. He also offered to turn himself over to Zod to protect humanity as well. So even if we didn't see every possible instance we could have, there was still MORE than enough evidence in the movie that he cared about saving people.
