Star trek re-imagined.

[Squiggy]

The transporter is a concept almost unique to Star Trek in terms of visual science fiction, and is perhaps more identified with it by the general public than warp drive. Removing it makes Trek feel like any other show.

There are about 40 different things primarily connected to star trek.

Yes. Some are more important that the others. Take out replicators? No biggie. Take out GOING TO DIFFERENT PLANETS, biggie.

Claiming the removal of some these elements will make it unrecognizable to star trek is being far too attached to the pass.

You're removing all the major ones. Aliens, planets, talking to other people. You're proposing a show, where genetically enhanced humans in the near-future putz around the Asteroid Belt. Not entertaining. Not Star Trek.

If you think a new star trek is gonna have every element people like, your not gonna see a new star trek show come about.

No, but we think a new Star Trek is going to have some element people like.

If star trek comes back it will have to reinvent itself to remain current. Just as TNG did.

TNG wasn't a reinvention. It was an evolution and updating of the same thing. They say what they're going in the intro. "To seek out new life and new civilizations..."

Lack of creative ideas is what took the show off the air in the first place.

No, new suits at NBC took it off the air in the first place. Enterprise was too little, too late to be saved. It didn't deserve to be saved anyway.

Granted I think this is the desire of many here but whatever.

What?

if i were to make a show not based on star trek Id remove more than a few details.

Again, what?

It would be based on capitalism, there would be no space navies but people working under contract.

Like Battlefield Earth?

Theere would be no exploration.

That's what you're proposing with no warp drive. I think you just don't understand how big space is. For any of it to be entertaining on a weekly basis you're going to have to have those "magical" technologies shrink it down a bit.

I could go on and on.

Please don't. This premise is not a good idea. If you want to do Star Trek, make it recognizable.

 

[Tim Walker]

One thing TOS sometimes did was a(n occasionally) recurring character. That is, somebody not a member of the regular cast.

Harry Mudd, I believe, appeared in at least two different episodes. As a scoundrel, his presence gave Federation society a bit of depth...it wasn't all just idealistic Star Fleet crews.TNG went to an extreme where society became sterile, as though people were all bland robots.

Come to think of it, Cyrano Jones was a bit of a scamp. However, I think he appeared in only the one episode.

Not exactly re-imagining Trek, but a good idea to apply to a new series.

 

[Melakon]

. . .Harry Mudd, I believe, appeared in at least two different episodes. As a scoundrel, his presence gave Federation society a bit of depth...it wasn't all just idealistic Star Fleet crews.TNG went to an extreme where society became sterile, as though people were all bland robots.

Come to think of it, Cyrano Jones was a bit of a scamp. However, I think he appeared in only the one episode. . .

Mudd and Jones both appear in the Animated Series, voiced by their original actors. Jones actor Stanley Adams also co-wrote the TOS episode "The Mark of Gideon".

 

[urbandefault]

Jones actor Stanley Adams also co-wrote the TOS episode "The Mark of Gideon".

Yeah, payback for having to pick up all those tribbles on K7.

 

[Tim Walker]

. . .Harry Mudd, I believe, appeared in at least two different episodes. As a scoundrel, his presence gave Federation society a bit of depth...it wasn't all just idealistic Star Fleet crews.TNG went to an extreme where society became sterile, as though people were all bland robots.

Come to think of it, Cyrano Jones was a bit of a scamp. However, I think he appeared in only the one episode. . .

Mudd and Jones both appear in the Animated Series, voiced by their original actors. Jones actor Stanley Adams also co-wrote the TOS episode "The Mark of Gideon".

OOppps! I overlooked the animated series. But your comments reinforce what I said.

 

[nightwind1]

I suppose you could create a sort of quasi-Trek is you stripped away some of ultra tech: transporters, holodecks, replicators....subspace communication....

Then you get Enterprise. How'd that turn out?

As far as I remember, it turned out pretty good.

 

[Melakon]

I suppose you could create a sort of quasi-Trek is you stripped away some of ultra tech: transporters, holodecks, replicators....subspace communication....

Then you get Enterprise. How'd that turn out?

As far as I remember, it turned out pretty good.

Actually, you're back to what might have been a major inspiration for Star Trek, Forbidden Planet.

 

[Tim Walker]

One thing that TOS did well was Klingons-as-bad-guys. "Into Darkness" did that even better-one got a sense of menace, as though a horde of savages were ready to pour across your borders.

Something like the way the ancient Romans felt about Attila the Hun, the so called "scourge of God."


And "Into Darkness" dwelled on a dilemma. The practical need for a strong, even agressive, defense, versus idealism.


At their most intimidating, Klingons had the sheer savagery of the Huns, but in terms of organization they were more akin to Mongols, who had one of the largest empires in history. That combination would make the Klingon Empire very, very dangerous. And good for drama.

I think that David Gerrold compared Klingons to Mongol hordes, but with space ships and ray guns.

 

[Tim Walker]

Forbidden Planet did have some impressive technology, such as an FTL space ship, blasters, and that fence thingie.

 

[Tarek71]

The Cardassians of TNG/DS9 were basically the replacement for the TOS Klingons. The "Klingons" of the BermanVerse, to me, became silly, cartoonish and one dimensional.

 

[Tim Walker]

In regards to early TNG, I recall reading that the Ferengi were supposed to be the new villains. However these "Yankee Traders" (a friend sarcastically referred to them as the "Jews of the Galaxy") didn't work very well as the main villains-they were regarded as too silly by the powers that be. However, the TNG Klingons were already on the way to cartoon-hood. Actually, it would have been just as well to write the Klingons out of TNG.

The Cardassians would become substitute villains.

One thing that actually worked-in DS9-was to repurpose the Ferengi. They began to seem like actual people, rather than "Jews of the Galaxy".

 

[sojourner]

Dude. Offensive much?

 

[Tim Walker]

So my musings leads me to suggest a new Trek variant-one based `on what each series/movie did best. Any suggestions?

 

[BillJ]

So my musings leads me to suggest a new Trek variant-one based `on what each series/movie did best. Any suggestions?

Terrible idea. You'd never get anyone to agree on what each series did "best". It's all highly subjective.

 

[Melakon]

Dude. Offensive much?

I'd seen the Ferengi described in those terms in interviews, and I think even Armin used the phrase once or twice when commenting on the early Ferengi. That's what he tried to get away from with how he presented Quark.

So I wouldn't be so hasty to condemn Tim for the phrase.

 

[Tim Walker]

Sorry, I didn't mean to give offense. A friend used that phrase sarcastically, because it looked like a stereotype was being revived (in science fiction dress, that is).

 

[Hober Mallow]

I always saw the Ferengi as representative of unenlightened materialistic 20th Century humans.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

I always saw the Ferengi as representative of unenlightened materialistic 20th Century humans.

Yeah, I think I actually preferred them when they ate people.

 

[BillJ]

I always saw the Ferengi as representative of unenlightened materialistic 20th Century humans.

Pretty sure that's how they are described in "The Last Outpost".

 

[Squiggy]

I always saw the Ferengi as representative of unenlightened materialistic 20th Century humans.

Yeah, I think I actually preferred them when they ate people.

Thats the thing...they went from overly-villainous trolls with eletro-whips to comically-inept space pirates.

If they would've stopped about halfway, they might have been somewhat of a menace.

Instead we have the biker gang Klingons and the uberparanoid Romulans. Maybe that was why the Borg was such a memorable nemesis. They were the only bad guys that were actually bad.