Captain America: The Winter Soldier Discussion Thread - SPOILERS

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

My memory is that three of them were captured and placed into a van.. and he had no shield from that point even through the scene where they are in the Apple story planning their "New Jersey vacation." But he has the shield again when they are in New Jersey.

Some people say I'm nitpicking.. but the shield is no minor nitpick.. and when doing a tense picture in the spirit of a 70's action/political thriller, it's more important that the details are correct.

You're taking things out of order, they weren't captured and put into the van til after they went to New Jeresy, Now hee didn't have the shield in the Aplle story but he might've just left it somewhere safe. He did howwever have it after facing Bucky for the first time and it was porbably Hill or someother SHIELD agent who picked it and put in the van.

With all respect, I think you have it out of order. I distinctly remember remember the big freeway fight to be before the Apple store, and that's also the scene where the shield was left on the highway, because the three of them were placed in a van.

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[Tosk]

Is Amazon pushing their U.S. customers to buy the download of Captain America: The Winter Soldier? There must be some reason they're still not listing the Blu-ray or DVD, one month before the release date.

Due to the ongoing "issues" between Amazon and Disney, they don't list any Disney titles for pre-order. It'll be available there once the release date arrives.

 

[DimesDan]

My memory is that three of them were captured and placed into a van.. and he had no shield from that point even through the scene where they are in the Apple story planning their "New Jersey vacation." But he has the shield again when they are in New Jersey.

Some people say I'm nitpicking.. but the shield is no minor nitpick.. and when doing a tense picture in the spirit of a 70's action/political thriller, it's more important that the details are correct.

You're taking things out of order, they weren't captured and put into the van til after they went to New Jeresy, Now hee didn't have the shield in the Aplle story but he might've just left it somewhere safe. He did howwever have it after facing Bucky for the first time and it was porbably Hill or someother SHIELD agent who picked it and put in the van.

With all respect, I think you have it out of order. I distinctly remember remember the big freeway fight to be before the Apple store, and that's also the scene where the shield was left on the highway, because the three of them were placed in a van.

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I watched it last night.

The causality is:

Fight at SHIELD > Hospital > Apple Store > New Jersey SHIELD base > HYDRA reveal and attack > Hanging out at Falcons > Highway/Freeway attack > Captured by HYDRA > Hill rescues the trio.

Hill or someone else from SHIELD picked up the shield and left it in the back of the van and Cap took it with him when they went to the super secret unSHIELD hideout.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Yeah, the fight on US 50 couldn't have happened before the Apple store because it ended with them surrounded at gunpoint and put in the vans (to be rescued by Maria Hill). The Apple scene was about using the flashdrive, so they could go to New Jersey, which happened before all that.

I'm trying to remember where Cap got the car. Was it his car? If it was, maybe he just left his shield in the car. I'm not exactly sure where he'd find a mall like that inside the District anyway so he may have driven there.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Widow asked him where he learned to steal a car and he answered "Nazi Germany." We didn't see the theft.

Let's face it, Cap's shield is like Indy's hat...however improbable, he's never gonna lose it...if he manages to get temporarily parted from it, it'll just come rolling along eventually.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

You're taking things out of order, they weren't captured and put into the van til after they went to New Jeresy, Now hee didn't have the shield in the Aplle story but he might've just left it somewhere safe. He did howwever have it after facing Bucky for the first time and it was porbably Hill or someother SHIELD agent who picked it and put in the van.

With all respect, I think you have it out of order. I distinctly remember remember the big freeway fight to be before the Apple store, and that's also the scene where the shield was left on the highway, because the three of them were placed in a van.

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I watched it last night.

The causality is:

Fight at SHIELD > Hospital > Apple Store > New Jersey SHIELD base > HYDRA reveal and attack > Hanging out at Falcons > Highway/Freeway attack > Captured by HYDRA > Hill rescues the trio.

Hill or someone else from SHIELD picked up the shield and left it in the back of the van and Cap took it with him when they went to the super secret unSHIELD hideout.

How did you watch it? I don't know when it comes out

 

[Enterprise1701]

Did the movie show him recovering his shield after dropping it off the helicarrier?

 

[DimesDan]

With all respect, I think you have it out of order. I distinctly remember remember the big freeway fight to be before the Apple store, and that's also the scene where the shield was left on the highway, because the three of them were placed in a van.

I

I watched it last night.

The causality is:

Fight at SHIELD > Hospital > Apple Store > New Jersey SHIELD base > HYDRA reveal and attack > Hanging out at Falcons > Highway/Freeway attack > Captured by HYDRA > Hill rescues the trio.

Hill or someone else from SHIELD picked up the shield and left it in the back of the van and Cap took it with him when they went to the super secret unSHIELD hideout.

How did you watch it? I don't know when it comes out

Because of a wonderous thing called the World Wide Web. It's amazing what you can find and find out on it, maybe you've heard of it?

Did the movie show him recovering his shield after dropping it off the helicarrier?

No it didn't.

 

[Aldo]

^^^I thought when he was washed up on the shore his shield was nearby? Implying that perhaps Bucky had recovered it for him?

In any event, is it really hard to believe that perhaps he has more than one shield laying around?

 

[DWF]

In any event, is it really hard to believe that perhaps he has more than one shield laying around?

Yes, the shield is made of Vibranium one of the rarest metals on earth it's very unlikely he's got a spare somewhere.

 

[Aldo]

And yet when they were deciding on a design in the first film, Stark had several mock up's made up, all using Vibranium.

 

[DWF]

And yet when they were deciding on a design in the first film, Stark had several mock up's made up, all using Vibranium.

Stark said nothing abou the other shields being made of vibranium only the one that Steve picked up off the bottom shelf.

Steve Rogers: [picking up a shield] What about this one?
Howard Stark: No, no, that's just a prototype.
Steve Rogers: What's it made of?
Howard Stark: Vibranium. It's stronger than steel and a third the weight. It's completely vibration absorbent.

 

[The Old Mixer]

^Howard also said in that scene that the shield was "pretty much all we have".

 

[Aldo]

And yet when they were deciding on a design in the first film, Stark had several mock up's made up, all using Vibranium.

Stark said nothing abou the other shields being made of vibranium only the one that Steve picked up off the bottom shelf.

Steve Rogers: [picking up a shield] What about this one?
Howard Stark: No, no, that's just a prototype.
Steve Rogers: What's it made of?
Howard Stark: Vibranium. It's stronger than steel and a third the weight. It's completely vibration absorbent.

I figured you'd mention this, and it's a fair claim. But it does seems awfully convenient that Rogers picks up the one shield that is made of vibranium

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Still, the fact that that one was a prototype (seemingly distinguishing it from the others) is pretty telling. Is it convenient? Probably. It's also pretty convenient that Dr. Erskine heard Steve Rogers's conversation with Bucky that led him to become Captain America in the first place. Movies have lots of convenient moments.

 

[Aldo]

You're probably right. I haven't seen the film recently enough to argue my point any further.

 

[Trekker4747]

Well, how much can we trusr Stark that that shield really represented "pretty much all they [have]." This was a proto-SHIELD group, so he may have been lying. It's also possible in the 70-some years between CA and CA2 more Vibranium was recovered/manufactured.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Sure, but we have no reason to believe that or even suggest that. Could he be lying and could they have gotten more? Sure, of course. Does it dramatically increase the very low odds that Captain America had extra versions of his shield? No.

 

[Trekker4747]

Sure, but we have no reason to believe that or even suggest that. Could he be lying and could they have gotten more? Sure, of course. Does it dramatically increase the very low odds that Captain America had extra versions of his shield? No.

I'd say it's a push on plausibility, but I believe the idea in the comics is that Cap's shield is one-of-a-kind and even more than that an alloy that's not been able to be reproduced.

 

[Captaindemotion]

Was it not adamantium (like Wolverine's claws) in the comics? I thought they invented vibranium for the MCU because the X-Men films owned the rights to adamantium.