I wish it had. I know the absence of Eccleston forced Moffat to invent the War Doctor, but the events of Day of the Doctor does undermine Nine's character somewhat.
Granted they are all the same person but Nine made it feel personal to HIM.
Black and white version of Deep Breath has leaked
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I wish it had. I know the absence of Eccleston forced Moffat to invent the War Doctor, but the events of Day of the Doctor does undermine Nine's character somewhat.
Granted they are all the same person but Nine made it feel personal to HIM.
Funny and ironic, we can get leaks of this kind..but IRS emails just fall off the face of the earth.. I wonder if the rest of missing episodes are also there??
Really? because regardless of how recent his regeneration was in Rose he still seems fairly new to the game. I have never seen RTD state anywhere that his intention was for 9th to have fought in the War.
I've always been under the impression that 9 was a result of whatever 8/War Doc did to end the War. I felt he was born from the guilt and destruction that his former incarnation caused. I never got the impression he was in the time war himself. The episodes of the 9th Doctor aren't fresh in my mind but I thought he came after. I don't think we would have had this darker Doctor had another version of him not fought in the war.
To be fair, it seems like RTD was implying that the Doctor fought in the War in all his incarnations. Case in point, he stated the Fourth started the conflict, the Seventh started the War itself, and through dialogue in Dalek, the Ninth ended it.
And there was no, no indication of a secret Doctor. Why would there be? He's still the same person, and he admited to doing so himself.
And there was no, no indication of a secret Doctor. Why would there be? He's still the same person, and he admited to doing so himself.
The closest statement comes in "Flood Barriers," the appendix to The Flood, the final collection DWM's eighth Doctor comics, which covers the regeneration that didn't happen at the end of "The Flood." There, in the correspondence that's printed, RTD shoots down the plans for a "Ninth Doctor: Year One" storyline with the ninth Doctor and Destrii because that's not "the brand," and he says that means DWM can't do a post-regeneration story and is going to have to skip over a lot of stuff, like a war, to get to the Nine/Rose "brand."
I watched half of Deep Breath last night...
Capaldi didn't hit the punchlines of the jokes as well as I thought he might from the script, and his delivery of some of the lines came across as weaker than expected, although I'd like to chalk that up to being new to the role. I would also blame some of it on the rough cut itself, as some of the sequences seemed unpolished, such as the 'out of the window and onto the horse' scene. The editing seems sloppy in places too, some scenes definitely need tightening up (the opening scenes on the banks of the Thames is a little bland, as is the pre-robot discovery banter in Mancini's). Forced humour is another issue, and Clara's checkover by Strax is oh-so obviously just padding to get to the 75 minute mark. Strax doesn't understand human biology, we get it. I'd rather have another Capaldi scene as we're supposed to be learning about him rather than Clara. The Eleventh Hour was all Smith, but definitely doesn't feel that way with Deep Breath. As Allyn Gibson said earlier there isn't much happening for the first 40 minutes, and makes you wish Capaldi did have a single 45-50 minute episode to work with. Still I have the rest of the ep to go so it should improve, although I'll save my proper review until the final broadcast version.
^ I did notice that Deep Breath . . .
Mr Awe
seemed to suffer from the Doctor out of action/out of sight problem that plagued Spearhead from Space, Castrovalva, and Christmas Invasion. I still liked the script but not that it took awhile to see the Doctor in action. As you say, 11th Hour was all Smith and I hoped that Moffat would go with that approach because it worked so well and not resort to the less regarded approach.
But, overall, I enjoyed the script.
But, overall, I enjoyed the script.
Mr Awe
I understand what Moffat is trying to do here. He's taking the "Can the companion/audience identification character adjust to the new Doctor and see through his new face to realize that he's the same person as before?" approach from "Robot" and "Castrovalva" and "The Christmas Invasion" and applying it with Capaldi's Doctor.
I don't think that works in this circumstance. Clara, more than any other companion, knows full well that the Doctor regenerates and has many faces. She's seen all of them and interacted personally with two previous Doctors. For her to suddenly go, two stories after the anniversary special, "Oooh, I don't know about this, this is weird and not right," doesn't make any sense for the character. She should really be -- and without the need of a phone call -- all like, "Oh, you've changed and I don't fancy you anymore, but you're still the Doctor, you're still my best friend, and let's see the universe." I'm not sure why Moffat thinks the characterization he's using for Clara works. Either he doesn't remember what he's written before, or he simply doesn't understand his own character. It's puzzling.
The more interesting approach for Moffat to take would have been, I think, to show us a Doctor who is 900 years out of practice, who knows it all but has to relearn the ropes, and is prone to making mistakes because he's rusty. But perhaps that's too much to ask; it would have meant that Moffat was able to grapple with the implications of his own stories, and he's not shown a great faculty with that.
I don't think that works in this circumstance. Clara, more than any other companion, knows full well that the Doctor regenerates and has many faces. She's seen all of them and interacted personally with two previous Doctors. For her to suddenly go, two stories after the anniversary special, "Oooh, I don't know about this, this is weird and not right," doesn't make any sense for the character. She should really be -- and without the need of a phone call -- all like, "Oh, you've changed and I don't fancy you anymore, but you're still the Doctor, you're still my best friend, and let's see the universe." I'm not sure why Moffat thinks the characterization he's using for Clara works. Either he doesn't remember what he's written before, or he simply doesn't understand his own character. It's puzzling.
The more interesting approach for Moffat to take would have been, I think, to show us a Doctor who is 900 years out of practice, who knows it all but has to relearn the ropes, and is prone to making mistakes because he's rusty. But perhaps that's too much to ask; it would have meant that Moffat was able to grapple with the implications of his own stories, and he's not shown a great faculty with that.
I have a theory about...
The female villain at the end. She calls herself "Missy". Could it possibly be short for Mistress, aka The Master?
THIS. A million times this.
Possible, but what about the who 'Doctor is my Boyfriend' stuff would be really creepy of that came from the Master. Maybe it is Romana and the 'Promise Land' is a place in E-space. LOL
I think what you say makes logical sense for real people, but I just don't think a mistake prone Doctor would make great TV. I think that would get old pretty quick.
Do agree with what you say about Clara, she knows more about that than any other companion!
I think the script still works, it's just not up to 11th Hour standards.
Mr Awe
While only five scripts leaked, according to the BBC it appears that a total of six episode workprints are in the wild.
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Hope this doesn't hurt the ratings.
I don't think so, if anything people will want to see how that final product compares to the work print and even the scripts.
It seems Moffat started with the goal converting over skeptical fans who felt Capaldi was too old to be The Doctor. So he wrote a post-regen story where Clara is a stand-in for a fan who felt the new Doctor is too different, too old and too strange. And through Clara's eventual acceptance of Capaldi's Doctor, he hoped to change the naysayer's minds.
Me, I had no problem with Capaldi being The Doctor. In fact I was over the moon that they picked such a good actor for the role. I cannot empathize with Clara's initial reaction to Capaldi's Doctor and perhaps because of this, the whole episode felt unnecessarily long-winded.
Me, I had no problem with Capaldi being The Doctor. In fact I was over the moon that they picked such a good actor for the role. I cannot empathize with Clara's initial reaction to Capaldi's Doctor and perhaps because of this, the whole episode felt unnecessarily long-winded.
I posted a screengrab of the FTP site itself a few days ago with that info, it's a page or two back.
That said, I have looked (for information gathering, you understand) and can find no trace of 803-806. 802 is out but no "avenue for acquiring it" works.
And that's all I'm saying on the matter.
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