Star Trek III - The [Speculation Begins] (Spoilers)

[Danlav05]

Speak for yourself. I love that "timeline branching crap". The trick is, they do whatever the hell they want anyway and if fans like it, they'll suspend disbelief.

Yeah a parallel timeline literally mean running parallel to the first one - that's what was said in the movie

It is all a STORY, all your season boxsets are still on your shelf, JJ didn't wipe them from existence.

What of STAR TREK 13 then?

It's interesting to see how they will take the story forward- Klingons as the main enemy, would the Borg be a bit much?

Even though before 'Into Darkness' I thought that Nimoy shouldn't have been in Trek12 to give the NuCrew a chance to shine I'm glad he was there and being the 50th Anniversary should the new one be released in 2016 I hope he makes another cameo. People forget that with The Cage [50 years old this year!; filmed Nov-Dec 64] Leonard Nimoy as Spock is Star Trek's longest serving character/actor, and spans right from then to last year's film.

I do prefer an original story that moves the characters forward.

 

[BillJ]

I wish they'd just rebooted Trek without apology instead of doing the half-assed geek reassuring branched timeline crap.

Same here. I appreciate them trying to split the difference but it came across awkwardly.

Yeah a parallel timeline literally mean running parallel to the first one - that's what was said in the movie

Well, the wording makes it vague and open to interpretation. We're really working more with writer intent than anything clearly stated on screen.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I wish they'd just rebooted Trek without apology instead of doing the half-assed geek reassuring branched timeline crap.

I agree. If they had just started over, and ST XI had not involved time travel of any kind, it still wouldn't have erased the original timeline. The two versions of BSG, for example, exist side by side, and (unlikely though it may be that they could exist in the same universe) nobody seriously thought nuBSG overwrote the old, did they? Same story here.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Old Spock is awesome. Your arguments are invalid

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Yes, Old Spock is awesome, but we've had plenty of films with him in them.

That being said, I'd also have settled for the ship that's destroyed in the opening of ST XI being the original, TOS-era Enterprise (with Robert April in command). That's what was supposed to happen, but Abrams was ordered to remove it because TPTB would not under any circumstances allow him to destroy an Enterprise. So he had to change it to the Kelvin, and April became Robau.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

That being said, I'd also have settled for the ship that's destroyed in the opening of ST XI being the original, TOS-era Enterprise (with Robert April in command). That's what was supposed to happen, but Abrams was ordered to remove it because TPTB would not under any circumstances allow him to destroy an Enterprise. So he had to change it to the Kelvin.

That's the first I've heard of this. Do you have a link?

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Kelvin#Identifying_the_Kelvin says only this:

In early stages of the film's development, the ship was named the USS Iowa. [4] While known by this eventually unused name, the vessel was given a registry number of 1201. [5] In a later interview with screenwriters Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci, Kurtzman explained that the ship's initial name was to have been "our nod" to the fact that the prime universe James T. Kirk had been semi-established as having been born in Iowa. "Then we decided that was too radical," Kurtzman said of the reference. Technically statements in Star Trek IV stated that Kirk was from Iowa and only worked in outer-space (indicating he was not born there).

 

[M'Sharak]

That being said, I'd also have settled for the ship that's destroyed in the opening of ST XI being the original, TOS-era Enterprise (with Robert April in command). That's what was supposed to happen, but Abrams was ordered to remove it because TPTB would not under any circumstances allow him to destroy an Enterprise. So he had to change it to the Kelvin.

That's the first I've heard of this. Do you have a link?

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Kelvin#Identifying_the_Kelvin says only this:

In early stages of the film's development, the ship was named the USS Iowa. [4] While known by this eventually unused name, the vessel was given a registry number of 1201. [5] In a later interview with screenwriters Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci, Kurtzman explained that the ship's initial name was to have been "our nod" to the fact that the prime universe James T. Kirk had been semi-established as having been born in Iowa. "Then we decided that was too radical," Kurtzman said of the reference. Technically statements in Star Trek IV stated that Kirk was from Iowa and only worked in outer-space (indicating he was not born there).

The part about destroying the Enterprise came from this 2009 Newsarama interview, if I'm not mistaken:

NRAMA: The script took six to eight months to bang out so what other ideas did you bandy around?

Kurtzman: There was no other macro idea. We knew we wanted to do an origin story with Spock Prime coming back. Obviously, details within the story changed wildly. We had a draft with Carol Marcus meeting Kirk as a child and goes on to be the mother of his son. We had Nurse Chapel have a potentially budding romance with Spock that we explored. At one point, we were bandying around the idea of destroying the Enterprise mid-battle.

Orci: That was actually the only time the studio even put the brakes on us. “Please don’t destroy the Enterprise.” We said “Okay, you’re right. Vulcan fine. Enterprise no.” There were a few million things like that along the way.

If the part about Robert April commanding was ever anything more than rumor or fan speculation, I don't know what its source might be.

 

[Xzpezer]

I would like to see the next film dealing with the cardassians maybe in the Film the federation and cardassians become allies and friends unlike the prime universe where they dont get on.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

That being said, I'd also have settled for the ship that's destroyed in the opening of ST XI being the original, TOS-era Enterprise (with Robert April in command). That's what was supposed to happen, but Abrams was ordered to remove it because TPTB would not under any circumstances allow him to destroy an Enterprise. So he had to change it to the Kelvin.

That's the first I've heard of this. Do you have a link?

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Kelvin#Identifying_the_Kelvin says only this:

The part about destroying the Enterprise came from this 2009 Newsarama interview, if I'm not mistaken:

NRAMA: The script took six to eight months to bang out so what other ideas did you bandy around?

Kurtzman: There was no other macro idea. We knew we wanted to do an origin story with Spock Prime coming back. Obviously, details within the story changed wildly. We had a draft with Carol Marcus meeting Kirk as a child and goes on to be the mother of his son. We had Nurse Chapel have a potentially budding romance with Spock that we explored. At one point, we were bandying around the idea of destroying the Enterprise mid-battle.

Orci: That was actually the only time the studio even put the brakes on us. “Please don’t destroy the Enterprise.” We said “Okay, you’re right. Vulcan fine. Enterprise no.” There were a few million things like that along the way.

If the part about Robert April commanding was ever anything more than rumor or fan speculation, I don't know what its source might be.

Thanks!

That passage also doesn't seem to imply that the destruction of the Enterprise is what got revised into the Kelvin sequence, either. So, it doesn't contradict the Memory Alpha quote about the Iowa.

 

[BillJ]

I would like to see the next film dealing with the cardassians maybe in the Film the federation and cardassians become allies and friends unlike the prime universe where they dont get on.

Outside of the Borg, I'm content to allow the 24th century species to remain in the 24th century.

 

[Xzpezer]

I would like to see the next film dealing with the cardassians maybe in the Film the federation and cardassians become allies and friends unlike the prime universe where they dont get on.

Outside of the Borg, I'm content to allow the 24th century species to remain in the 24th century.

In this realty the federation and cardasions have already met in star trek 2009 when uhura ordered a cardasion drink.

 

[Hober Mallow]

Outside of the Borg, I'm content to allow the 24th century species to remain in the 24th century.

Inside of the Borg, it's too dark to read.

 

[Harvey]

I wish they'd just rebooted Trek without apology instead of doing the half-assed geek reassuring branched timeline crap.

When they reboot again (and they will) they can do this. The alternate timeline business was a bit awkward, but it provided a way for Leonard Nimoy to play Spock in the movie. I think it was worth it for that.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Has any actual information been revealed about... anything? In ST:XIII?

It's so cool we are getting an ST:XIII

 

[M'Sharak]

Outside of the Borg, I'm content to allow the 24th century species to remain in the 24th century.

Inside of the Borg, it's too dark to read.

Admiral Julius Marx?

 

[Hober Mallow]

Admiral Julius Marx?

I couldn't help it.

 

[Sindatur]

Has any actual information been revealed about... anything? In ST:XIII?

It's so cool we are getting an ST:XIII

We know that with Directing/Producing/Writing activity, a third movie is definitely on, currently.

We know JJ/Bad Robot are looking for a Director, and Bad Robot will still Hold Producing Credits/Control.

I believe Lindeloff has left the writing staff (And Kurtzman, as well?) and there are two "Up and Coming" hopefuls that will be writing the Script with Orci.

I think that's pretty much what we know so far, though I believe there's been strong rumors of a goal of having a 2016 release date, to coincide with 50th Anniversary.

ETA: Oh, also, they are changing shooting City, expecting to save about $20M, which will be chopped off the Budget (IE: Same practical budget, but, it will cost them $20M less [Savings from changing shooting location])

 

[Dick_Valentine]

Has any actual information been revealed about... anything? In ST:XIII?

It's so cool we are getting an ST:XIII

Well, I listened to a podcast the other day with Pegg in it (Richard Herring's Leicester Square theatre Podcast (RHLSTP!), very funny!) where he confirmed there would be a third move and he will be in it, if that helps

^ Yes, Old Spock is awesome, but we've had plenty of films with him in them.

That being said, I'd also have settled for the ship that's destroyed in the opening of ST XI being the original, TOS-era Enterprise (with Robert April in command). That's what was supposed to happen, but Abrams was ordered to remove it because TPTB would not under any circumstances allow him to destroy an Enterprise. So he had to change it to the Kelvin, and April became Robau.

I wish it had happened that way, if only to remove the ugly-arse Kelvin design from canon, pretty much the ONLY design in post 09-Trek that looks terrible imo
(hey, hero ships should have symmetry dammit, not a stupid upside down hull/single nacelle combination!)

 

[F. King Daniel]

^ Yes, Old Spock is awesome, but we've had plenty of films with him in them.

That being said, I'd also have settled for the ship that's destroyed in the opening of ST XI being the original, TOS-era Enterprise (with Robert April in command). That's what was supposed to happen, but Abrams was ordered to remove it because TPTB would not under any circumstances allow him to destroy an Enterprise. So he had to change it to the Kelvin, and April became Robau.

You would give up Spock Prime AND THE ROBAU??!?!!

If the part about Robert April commanding was ever anything more than rumor or fan speculation, I don't know what its source might be.

I suspect it's fan speculation based on April being George Kirk's BFF in the novels Final Frontier and Best Destiny, which the writers cited as their source for Kirk's father's name and occupation.

 

[urbandefault]

I like the idea put forth in another thread about starting the film with the end of "Deadly Years." We get Shatner and Nimoy on the bridge, and Urban/McCoy rushes in and shoots them up with the magic serum to turn them back into Pine and Quinto.

After that, I'd like to see them warp off to fight the Klingons who are raiding border colonies. Insert space battles, hand to hand combat on some weird backward planet, Kirk about to pull a ridiculous victory out of his butt, when suddenly ... wait for it ...

Organians.

That's the film I want to see.