YOU might despise being told that but the question wasn't about you. It's someone else's needs here and being able to put their needs above yours.
The gurgling sound of death!
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YOU might despise being told that but the question wasn't about you. It's someone else's needs here and being able to put their needs above yours.
Look, I think the Real Issue in this thread is going by the wayside here. Let's ask the tough questions:
1. How many chickens could you take in a fight? (I'm talking free-range chickens, here, the limber kind.) And how long would it take you to skin and eat them afterwards? And are you having fries with that? And why aren't you inviting me over, you selfish [rude body-part name of choice]?
2. How many cats could you take in a fight? (Supplementary questions as above.)
3. How many squirrels could you take in a fight? (Ibid.)
4. How many clones of Luminus' daughter could you take in a fight? (Ibid. x 2 punch-buggies no returns)
5. How many cat-chicken-squirrel hybrid clones with the face of Luminus' daughter could you take in a fight? (Ibid. infinity)
When the Influenza Sexytimes Apocalypse overtakes us all, these are the things we're going to need to know. Go!
(Sorry, I'm going the silly route here because that philosophy quiz is hugely deficient and I don't want to rant about it.)
1. How many chickens could you take in a fight? (I'm talking free-range chickens, here, the limber kind.) And how long would it take you to skin and eat them afterwards? And are you having fries with that? And why aren't you inviting me over, you selfish [rude body-part name of choice]?
2. How many cats could you take in a fight? (Supplementary questions as above.)
3. How many squirrels could you take in a fight? (Ibid.)
4. How many clones of Luminus' daughter could you take in a fight? (Ibid. x 2 punch-buggies no returns)
5. How many cat-chicken-squirrel hybrid clones with the face of Luminus' daughter could you take in a fight? (Ibid. infinity)
When the Influenza Sexytimes Apocalypse overtakes us all, these are the things we're going to need to know. Go!
(Sorry, I'm going the silly route here because that philosophy quiz is hugely deficient and I don't want to rant about it.)
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Wow, that dying child will really find that life lesson useful.
Wow, that dying child will really find that life lesson useful.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is exactly why people cannot get along. It is your insistence to have me value the same things you do (in a hypothetical scenario, even a ridiculous one, no less) that causes the problem. The World Police, you two, want to convert everyone to your way of thinking. It's like that episode of Enterprise, where Trip Tucker wants to stop that 3rd gender from fulfilling its duties because he doesn't agree with their culture.
Its incredible to see it happening online in these fantasy scenarios.
It's nice to see someone who doesn't take a hypothetical question deadly seriously.
But, really, what would you do? It's just a thought experiment. It doesn't need to be perfect. You say the quiz is hugely deficient, but you don't want to rant about it. I think you should. We might all learn something from it.
Wow, that dying child will really find that life lesson useful.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is exactly why people cannot get along. It is your insistence to have me value the same things you do (in a hypothetical scenario, even a ridiculous one, no less) that causes the problem. The World Police, you two, want to convert everyone to your way of thinking.
Do I think everyone should be nice to a dying kid they are at the bedside of and put the kid before their own ideologies?
Yes. I do. I think putting your ideologies before people is a big problem in the world.
Maybe you should have comforted Luminous, telling him that you agree with him even if you didn't, just to make him feel better. But that would go against your principles, wouldn't it, teacake, sojourner?
He hasn't said he's dying or a child, though I suspect the latter.
Apparently I'm part of some conspiracy to keep him under control. I should ask for a pay raise.
Have you not heard that morality-changing, gurgling sound of death?!?!
Or maybe you have ...
If luminous was on his death bed and said to me, "teacake.. please.. tell me I'm right about putting my own principles ahead of kindness.. TELL ME.. *gurgle*.." I would of course lie to him while holding his hand. And surreptitiously scanning the room for Rand tomes to burn after he expired.
We're not talking about being nice. We're talking about lying. However, you're free to believe what you want and I've made this crystal clear, so what's the problem? You seem intent on making me see it your way. That's my issue with you and that other poster who has degenerated to insults, already. Speaking of which...
So now I'm a child, with a daughter no less, because I disagree with you. This is your rebuttal?
I'll tell you what. Agree to disagree and end the discussion right here.
Are you one of those people who are against white lies because, TRUTH?
As to intention in the thread, I'm just replying to your posts. You were the one that started the thread with the scenario of what we will all do when the squirrels run out and we have to eat pigeons.
I'm against lying. I understand that lies will happen, obviously, but I try to avoid them as much as possible. The lie is only guaranteed to be "white" to the one telling it. That's the problem with it. As for your final paragraph, I have not idea what you're trying to say.
Am I allowed to have an opinion vastly different from your own or not? That is the question here. If I am, then you should not have such a huge problem with my answers.
I'm just replying to you dude, you post a bunch of stuff, I reply. Some of what you post is quite disturbing, so replies are probably more likely.
If you want to just make a statement and not have what you say under discussion you might try talking to your screen rather than typing.
What do you mean the lie is only white to the one telling it?
If you want to just make a statement and not have what you say under discussion you might try talking to your screen rather than typing.
What do you mean the lie is only white to the one telling it?
Having a discussion and being vilified over differing beliefs are two vastly different things. You said what I post is disturbing and I say your responses are disturbing. Is there some reason we should choose your opinions over mine? We have differing opinions, which I've stated repeatedly. I've listened to your arguments without judgement and said you're right to have them. I've even said I wouldn't stop someone from lying to a kid to make them feel better, but time and again you've shown that you cannot do the same and you're confused as to why I find that to be an issue?
It seems to me that you will not be satisfied until I convert, which is not going to happen. I hear what you're saying. I understand your arguments. I just don't agree with them.
A white lie is only white to you, for example, because of your opinion about it. The person you're telling the "white" lie to could very well not consider it a white lie and then you'd be in for a earful, now wouldn't you?
Don't get it twisted. I value this conversation, but I won't be told that my beliefs are wrong simply because you don't agree with them. You need better arguments than that.
I'm not saying your beliefs are wrong, I'm saying your actions are unkind if you put your beliefs above a child's need to be comforted. I have beliefs too and believe me I have had to put them aside to be a kinder friend to people at times. I care about the people more than I care about my beliefs, beliefs which I endeavor to hold onto lightly.
I don't think I need to violate my beliefs to comfort anyone. I believe there's another way. This is all hypothetical, anyway. I've never been in any of these impossible scenarios nor do I ever expect to be, so there's no way to tell for sure how I would respond in the scenario. It's possible that I would break my own rules, but I still think that's wrong. Lying is wrong, regardless of the outcome. It goes back to the no excuses comment I made.
Think of it like this, remember that episode of TNG (Best of Both Worlds) where Picard is assimilated into Locutus and murders all those people? (Who am I kidding? How can you not?
) That incident is clearly not his fault, but he took the responsibility. Sisko chews him out over it, but he doesn't say, "But I was assimilated." He just takes it. That's the way I see it.
So you're only concerned about yourself and your beliefs? Not others?
Now you're doing the black and white thing. If I asked a religious person to renounce their god while I'm about to die to make me feel better, should that religious person do this? Answer the question; no dodging.
It's not black and white. It's straightforward. Are you concerned so much about yourself and your own beliefs that you believe they are fundamentally superior to the concerns and beliefs of others? Answer the question; no dodging.
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