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Star Trek: Axanar
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Loken
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You know, issues like this get a LOT of attention. We tackle every single important detail of TOS.
So, the question is should there be aliens aboard the USS Ares? More over, are there aliens in Starfleet in the Prime Universe?
Well, let's see....
1. There are no aliens whatsoever on the USS Enterprise in TOS. In fact there are none in Starfleet.
2. Spock is the first Vulcan in Starfleet.
3. The Vulcans fully crew the USS Intrepid (destroyed in the Immunity Syndrome). Thus, this must be under Vulcan control, not Starfleet.
4. Kirk refers to UESPA, the United Earth SPace Probe Agency, which we see in "Enterprise" as well and is referred to in both as "Starfleet Command".
So it seems we don't have integrated crews 100 years after the founding of the Federation. (Granted we do in JJverse, but I am sure JJ didn't even THINK about this question).
So from the above 4 facts, it appears that maybe each member of the Federation has its own fleet. And maybe they coordinate, but don't integrate.
So, in Axanar you WILL see Vulcans in the Federation, and you WILL see an Andorian captain. :-)
Alec
Thanks for doing this, I've always been fond of the Andorians as a race.
As for the JJverse integration, I've always thought that rather than being an alternate universe that split off when the Romulans came through, it was an existing alternate universe. They just think it's a split, but it's really just another universe that's closer to the Prime Universe than the Mirror Universe.
Personally, I'm looking forward to Axanar, it's looking good and fits my understanding of the Trek universe.
I agree that the jjverse was a separate universe before Nero and Spock altered it further. I am uncertain how integrated each Starfleet ship was at the time of TOS. No reason a few non humans could be on the Ares.
I'm quite curious as to the scale of these starships compared to the TOS Enterprise, given that they follow a modified form of the design lineage of the (IMO) oversized Abrams films. They look beautiful, but I am curious about the scale question.
Loken
Lieutenant Commander
Thank you very much. I appreciate your support!
The Nacelles are pretty close to the TOS Enterprise, so the ships all are roughly to scale of that. This is a Prime universe story
Alec
Good to hear, I must admit. They are beautiful redesigns.
Another question if I may: I believe it was mentioned somewhere that we'll see the Enterprise (or at least a Constitution class ship) being built. I'm curious as to whether the ship (what we see of it) will be Cage configuration, main TOS configuration or an earlier version specially designed (after all, it might have been refitted for Pike after the first run with April)?
Damn but that Hermes model is gorgeous. Tobias does it again!
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Loken
Lieutenant Commander
You know, Tobias and I havent even talked about this yet! But a good question.
Alec
Thanks for pointing this out - hadn´t thought about that much - but I think the Cage configuration would make most sense.
not to derail the conversation, but I dont think ive seen any canon source saying that Spock was the first Vulcan in Starfleet. Not even that he was the first to graduate the academy. this was something that fans imagined up outside of the show.
while it is outside of TOS, TAS had several aliens on the bridge. and TMP showed many aliens in the rec room scene. the lack of aliens in TOS was due to low budget. This is why most aliens looked like transplanted humans. so its entirely possible that some of the background people were aliens but of no budget human looking design.
If you are planning to have Axanar occur before the launch of the 1701 would the image of the ship in the Okudachron be of any use? If not observe how the Cage Enterprise differs from that of WNMHGB and age it backwards?
Loken
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Absolutely correct. We had this conversation on Facebook and I researched and this is correct.
Still, there are no other races in TOS on the Enterprise, and TAS is not canon.
Alec
So, then, that also discredits both of your strange assumptions, that the Intrepid was not a Starfleet vessel, and that there were no aliens serving in Starfleet at the time of TOS (besides Spock).
With the idea that Spock was the first Vulcan in Starfleet dismissed, there is no reason in TOS outside of The Immunity Syndrome to suppose that Intrepid is not a Starfleet vessel. Moreover, within that episode, the facts that Starfleet is tracking her and is concerned about losing contact with her are both consistent with and suggestive of the idea that Intrepid is Starfleet.
Turning to JJTrek, the Kelvin is in Prime Universe continuity right up to the point of the Narada temporal incursion, and there are at least two non-humans serving aboard her.
By the way, since you bring up TAS, and regardless of whether you wish to draw on TAS continuity or to disregard it, it's now old news that CBS considers TAS to be canon. So, TAS is canon.
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For what it's worth, the Star Trek Writers Guide (Third Revision, dated April 17, 1967) has the following comment:
"The 430-man crew (approximately one third are females) is completely international and multiracial in makeup. There are even crewmembers from other planets. Although Mister Spock is the only alien crew member introduced so far, there are others who will make their appearance on future shows. The crew of each starship is predominantly of one type. The crew of some of these vessels is primarily human, others primarily Vulcan, and others perhaps something else. Each ship has a small percentage of aliens aboard, but the majority of the crew are usually of one type."
"THE CREW: International in origin, completely multi-racial. But even in this future century, we will see some traditional trappings, ornaments, and styles that suggest the Asiatic, the Arabic, the Latin, etc. So far, Mister Spook has been our only crewman with blood lines from another planet. However, it is not impossible that we might discover some other aliens or part aliens working aboard our Starship."
The Making of Star Trek by Stephen E. Whitfield and Gene Roddenberry (from September of 1968) has similar content:
"The 430-man crew (approximately one third are females) is completely international and multiracial in makeup. There are even crewmembers from other planets. Although Mister Spock is the only alien crew member introduced so far, there are others who will make their appearance on future shows. The crew of each starship is predominantly of one type. The crew of some of these vessels is primarily human, others primarily Vulcan, and others perhaps something else. Each ship has a small percentage of aliens aboard, but the majority of the crew are usually of one type."
Strange, I've always considered the Starfleet of TOS closer to something like NATO.
Many planets working toward a common goal, but still with their own fleets to contribute to it. It's not until the movie era that the fleet is growing more and more together to the mixed one we know from the days beyond TNG.
Many planets working toward a common goal, but still with their own fleets to contribute to it. It's not until the movie era that the fleet is growing more and more together to the mixed one we know from the days beyond TNG.
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