The Walking Dead Season 4

[Trekker4747]

Well, that was certainly interesting.

Wonder what Rick will say to Daryl when they get back to the prison. I'm guessing that Daryl *might* understand if Rick tells the group that Carol was the one who killed Karen and the other one.

Actually sad to see the two they found in the house not make it they seemed like they'd be an interesting addition to the group.

Wonder if/when we see Carol again? And is Rick stepping back up to leader?

Tyrese is off the rails, man! And I don't get the "bloody eyes" walkers in the veterinary school. The blood eyes walkers died from whatever the "illness" is, but walkers in the school had to have been there since the ZA began (unless there just happened to be a dozen or so people together at the school who died of the illness recently.)

Anyway, good episode interesting to see where it goes from here.

 

[shivkala]

^
It stands to reason some people closer to the school were sick and had the same idea Herschel had, except they died in the school. If their group was smaller or more were infected, they might have risked going out while sick to try to get something to cure themselves.

 

[Mojochi]

Skin eaters

I think we'll have this be an ongoing gag for many episodes to come, but never zombies, ghouls, or undead. What names have we heard besides Walkers? The Gov. called them biters. Daryl & Merle called them geeks. What else? Didn't someone this season call them de-cays?

What are some they haven't used yet?

Rotters
Wasters
Stalkers
Flatliners
Grunts
Goons
Deadheads
Meatheads

 

[Thestral]

Cades Cove , TN. That place is hidden like the vale of Rivendell. It was a farming settlement, natural protection with the mountains, and not too far for them to reasonably make it to.

I would die of utter happiness to see them in Cades Cove, since that's just 20 miles from me (30 by car). Plus the scenery is perfect, there's almost no modern development, and I'm sure the National Park wouldn't at all mind the (further) increased tourism if they decided to film there....

Never gonna happen I'm sure, but it can't hurt to dream.

I don't like what Rick did there. I hope we see her again.

ETA - Daryl's not going to be happy

I thought that was a great (albeit probably temporary?) resolution myself. Excellent episode, and I'd be perfectly content if we never saw that character again.

 

[Pavonis]

How the hell did Ana's calf end up so far from her body? It looked like she was carrying her fruit basket, dropped it when she was chased, and they caught her. But her leg was so far away! She couldn't have gotten far without it. Did the walkers throw it? Did they drag her away? Neither is plausible, as walkers aren't picky about what they eat and wouldn't throw anything anyway. Why would they drag her after catching her? They wouldn't. So...how did her leg end up so far from the rest of her?

 

[Triskelion]

Skin eaters

I think we'll have this be an ongoing gag for many episodes to come, but never zombies, ghouls, or undead. What names have we heard besides Walkers? The Gov. called them biters. Daryl & Merle called them geeks. What else? Didn't someone this season call them de-cays?

What are some they haven't used yet?

Rotters
Wasters
Stalkers
Flatliners
Grunts
Goons
Deadheads
Meatheads

The wiseguys called them Lamebrains.

This episode had awesome katana action.

ANYWAY, I can see where both Rick and Carol are coming from. On Talking Dead, they discussed whether Rick saw her as a growing threat to the leadership of the group. After all, she was training the children secretly, telling Carl to lie to his father, going outside the gate without telling anyone, and playing judge, jury and executioner with ill Karen and David.

I think she could even agree with the governor on some points.

Loved the opening scene. Just perfect.

And when the doctor was fighting so hard to hold onto his bag....

And the hippie kids - you really get that feeling every time they meet someone new - what fresh hell is this....

Finally, on Talking Dead, they mentioned the point that Carol stopped feeling with the loss of her daughter. By the way, I'd like to know how she "can handle Tyreese." I don't think she sees very clearly, and could represent the same kind of threat that Tyreese's recklessness did.

 

[Pavonis]

Well, presumably Carol thinks she could either talk him down, or just kill him before he could kill her.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

Isn't this going to upset Daryl a bit? He and Carol have their special BFF thing going on. I'll be waiting for his reaction. This stupid writer over at yahoo's burning question was, "Will it push Daryl into the arms of Beth Greene?" I kid you not. Color me silly, but some plausible conflict between Daryl and Rick piques my interest a tad more than whoever Daryl wishes to romance.

What's so great about the whole story is that I completely agree with Rick that it wasn't Carol's call to make because Karen and David might have lived....but it wasn't *his* call to make either. He's no longer leader. He abdicated. There's a council now. Bringing Carol back may well have put her in danger, but she's not a baby. I'm sure the character will be back. This is some fascinating stuff that they've done.

Didn't Rick's son blow some kid's head off who was about to put his gun down? Methinks Herschel may point out that bit of hypocrisy when the crisis is past.

 

[Venardhi]

Didn't Rick's son blow some kid's head off who was about to put his gun down? Methinks Herschel may point out that bit of hypocrisy when the crisis is past.

He blew some kid's head off who was there to kill them and wasn't putting his gun down fast enough. Herschel couldn't see past the fact that he was a kid.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Isn't this going to upset Daryl a bit?

I think that is the next big conflict. Moreover, with Tyrese still smarting over the Rick beating, if Rick & Daryl have tension, Tyrese could make matters worse by taking sides.

What's so great about the whole story is that I completely agree with Rick that it wasn't Carol's call to make because Karen and David might have lived....but it wasn't *his* call to make either. He's no longer leader. He abdicated. There's a council now. Bringing Carol back may well have put her in danger, but she's not a baby. I'm sure the character will be back. This is some fascinating stuff that they've done.

Yes, it was fascinating. For the record, I agree with Carol and as said last week, I see others comng around to her thinking.

Didn't Rick's son blow some kid's head off who was about to put his gun down? Methinks Herschel may point out that bit of hypocrisy when the crisis is past.

Carol pointed out Rick's killing Shane, too--and he was no walker, dying, or anything else other than a threat--Carol's point. If killing his so-called best friend was warranted, then ending the already fading lives of Karen and David was the right choice.

By the way, how thick is Rick with his "you don't know that" line? The nerd kid was all the evidence he required to know that this virus--left untreated (like Karen) leads to death, reanimation, and the spread of the virus. He must have selective memory for everyone other than himself when it comes to killing.

 

[Venardhi]

One is not a pattern. He was clearly very sensitive and died far quicker than any of the other people who have so far shown symptoms.

 

[Trekker4747]

Didn't Rick's son blow some kid's head off who was about to put his gun down? Methinks Herschel may point out that bit of hypocrisy when the crisis is past.

He blew some kid's head off who was there to kill them and wasn't putting his gun down fast enough. Herschel couldn't see past the fact that he was a kid.

That's sort of been my take on the Carl thing too. In that kind of situation what would you have done? You tell someone to put a gun down and instead they slowly try and hand it to you? That means to get the gun you have to drop your own guard to get it putting you, and others, at risk. Tell me a cop wouldn't shoot you in the same situation.

Carl said "Drop the gun!" and the kid didn't.

Carol pointed out Rick's killing Shane, too--and he was no walker, dying, or anything else other than a threat--Carol's point. If killing his so-called best friend was warranted, then ending the already fading lives of Karen and David was the right choice.

Shane wasn't just a "threat" he was actively trying to kill Rick. Rick's killing Shane was clearly a self-defense situation.

Karen and David were not a threat, they were contained. There was no need to kill them unless they had turned.

 

[Scout101]

And I don't get the "bloody eyes" walkers in the veterinary school. The blood eyes walkers died from whatever the "illness" is, but walkers in the school had to have been there since the ZA began (unless there just happened to be a dozen or so people together at the school who died of the illness recently.)

The boozehound found that alcohol in a sleeping bag, with assorted other items that implied people were living there previously. Whether it's believable or now, your call, but they at least set it up.

 

[Venardhi]

And I don't get the "bloody eyes" walkers in the veterinary school. The blood eyes walkers died from whatever the "illness" is, but walkers in the school had to have been there since the ZA began (unless there just happened to be a dozen or so people together at the school who died of the illness recently.)

The boozehound found that alcohol in a sleeping bag, with assorted other items that implied people were living there previously. Whether it's believable or now, your call, but they at least set it up.

It just seems rather unlikely. It gnawed at me a little when I saw it. "Really? c'mon, all of these zombies had the sickness too? Not just one or two that turned the rest but the whole batch of them?"

 

[Reverend]

^Maybe the walkers with the infection were people came there for the same reason they did, but the infection overcame them before they could treat it?

Exiling Carol was a good way to handle things I thought. Rick's right that if it got out Tyreese would kill her or die trying and even then the others wouldn't want her around anymore. It'd cause a split between the new people and the old core group and as Rick said, even he wouldn't trust her with his children any more.
Really I'm just glad he didn't kill her. For a second there when I saw him load up the extra fuel I thought he might actually be planning some "an eye for an eye" style justice.
Who knows, maybe she'll find Clementine out there?

Random thought: is it weird that it wasn't until that last bit with the bottle that I noticed that group consisted of three black people ostensibly lead by a redneck? Or is it weird that I even thought of it in those terms?

 

[SG-17]

It feels like nothing is happening this season.

Sure, Carol was exiled, but she wasn't killed. Which means nothing in this world. Though if she stays away I could see her being the lead for the spin-off series.

 

[Mojochi]

People want to agree with Carol, morally, & I get that, but that's not even the point. The point is, Carol wasn't even right. By the time she killed Karen & David, others in the camp had long since been exposed to the virus. Killing them solved nothing. No one had taken steps to stop the illness from being fatal yet. So she had no idea how whatever treatment would work. She jumped the gun, killed two people, for nothing & obviously knows that, when she has her frustrated outburst with the water barrels. Clearly, some people with the illness might survive it, so I'm doubting it being an absolute death sentence. So her actions were rash & inhumane

She can rationalize it, sure, but she also expected Rick to keep it a secret from the others. If it needs to be kept a secret, then you clearly know it's morally questionable, & it is going to be viewed as wrong by the others. Rick's assessment that many won't want her there or will want her executed is correct

The bottom line is this. In order for any kind of social order to be maintained at all, there has to be some base moral codes, and the philosophy that many people lean toward, of passing up any humanity they have for the sake of survival is no survival at all, & while it may keep you alive, you will not be able to stay in a group for long, if at all. Either you will destroy them from within, or they will figure you out & not want you around

Carol is where Michonne was a season ago. Cut off, alone, unable to be amongst others because it is too dangerous or unworkable. You can either leap frog from one group to another until they figure you out, or go it alone, & as Michonne found out. No one can go it alone. Not even her. I don't think even Daryl would agree with Carol's philosophy, despite how he may feel about her being exiled

 

[FreezeC77]

The 'infected' walkers in the school may at first glance seem a little far-fetched and trying too hard to push this new virus threat for the current season...but there is always a way to explain things.

What if this virus isn't a recent thing. Just that the prison encountering it is recent? It could have been an outbreak at that school over a year ago. Not sure how accurate this is, but a google search finds timelines that say the show is now approximately 550 days post outbreak.

There could have been pigs or other livestock at that veterinary school (we are talking about a farming region afterall) and that infection could have spread. It just took all this time for infected walkers from so far away to finally make their way to the prison where they then got killed at the fence and infected people.

 

[Venardhi]

It is a matter of plausibility. The bleeding eyes weren't necessary and they were questionable to at least a few of us here. We already saw a group of zombies in the school with a plausible story: the people who worked and studied there who holed up until they had a nice hippy suicide drum circle. Then suddenly there is another group who we're expected to believe got there later, avoided the previous group, all got the sickness and died of their symptoms instead of the first of their group to die and rise and all long ago enough for the entrances to have overgrown with ivy(or there is another entrance that our heroes completely missed even though they found the doors covered in said ivy). Sure it is possible, but it is distractingly implausible.

By that point I was drifting off a bit though, so it is possible I missed some other bit of evidence to lend that back-story story more credulity.

 

[wissaboo]

The ivy and suicide circle where at the gas station, bleeding eyes where at the vet school.