I've seen this side of the argument over why they should they fight at all.
Some say it's just stupid and reinforces fan's hard on to see these two punch each other when they have no reason to.
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I've seen this side of the argument over why they should they fight at all.
Some say it's just stupid and reinforces fan's hard on to see these two punch each other when they have no reason to.
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^ @Jarod Russel, Kirk and Picard did argue. There was conflict. Anyway, two men in their 60s fighting isn't quite the same as the world's two greatest superheroes.
Argueing isn't the same as trying to fight and kill each other.
Well, we don't know that Bats and Supes will try to kill each other. But it's horses for courses - Picard is a man of reason who tries to argue his position and so, contrary to the stereotype, is Kirk. So we expect them to argue their respective cases. Superman and Batman are action men and we expect action in their films. So their confrontation is bound to involve some physical element.
You didn't believe that Bridge "accident" was really an accident did you?I agree, Picard should have had to fight Kirk first, before they fought Soran together.
Exactly. Part of the thrill of seeing your characters meeting is to play the "who would win in a fight, Frankenstein or the Wolfman?" game.
That's practically built into the DNA of teamup stories.
I agree, Picard should have had to fight Kirk first, before they fought Soran together.
Exactly. Part of the thrill of seeing your characters meeting is to play the "who would win in a fight, Frankenstein or the Wolfman?" game.
That's practically built into the DNA of teamup stories.
Preferably to the "Amok Time" fight music . . . .
Most of those examples lasted less than 5 minutes.
They didn't make a feature live-action movie called Iron Man vs. Thor.
I wasn't big on the "vs." idea either, but we already went around the block on this issue several times earlier in the thread...can we move on?
Exactly. A certain amount of dynamic action comes with the capes and tights.
Oh, so all Batman has to do to win is suck all the air out of the room and wait for Superman to pass out.
Not to mention that a fight between Superman and Batman in the DCAU probably wouldn't have been as one sided as the Superman fans would think seeing as Timm nerfed Superman down to a (frankly) not ridiculous power level
You're not overly familiar with American superhero comics, are you?
Which episode was it that Superman was disabled by loss of air? Also to my recollection Superman and Batman only scuffled once in DCAU in the 90's 3 parter World's Finest. It's been forever since i've seen Superman TAS and Justice League and JLU. So I don't disbelieve you I would just like to revist the episodes in question.
Given that 90's animated Superman was based on Byrne's 80's retool of the character. Which made him more fallible and vulnerable. The Pre-Crisis Supes and Supes of the late 90's comics (Our World At War) not needing to eat, sleep or breath if they had solar energy in their cells.
(A) We don't know how long the conflict, if any, between Superman and Batman will last.
(B) The Avengers was an ensemble movie, not a two-hander. Anyway, I was giving brief examples of good guys starting out in opposite sides before ending up on the same side, not giving a comprehensive list of ways in which this film would be exactly the same as The Avengers.
(C) This film hasn't even been titled. Why are people getting so hung up on what might happen in it or what itmight be called? Does anyone seriously think that by the end of the film Superman and Batman will be sworn enemies?
It wasn't an episode so much as everytime that version of Superman was in space he was either in a spacesuit (Superman TAS episodes "The Prometheon", "Little Girl Lost, Part 1")
or in a Green Lantern energy bubble (Justice League episode "Savage Time").
Plus when the Zod expy guy and his female sidekick got spaced in their last appearance both after escaping the phatom zone and at the end of the episode they were shown gasping for air.(episode "Absolute Power")
So yeah I think its apparent that Superman needs air.
I remember the scene where Batman tosses Superman over his shoulder.
That just shouldn't have happened.
Yeah Timm's Superman wasn't uber powerful.
Even high caliber bullets(The Late Mr Kent) probably stung him
The Pre-Crisis Superman and Superboy were capable of space travel without the need a space suit. The 1986's reboot by John Byrne retooled the character to make him less powerful and more fallible. The 90's Superman cartoon was based on Byrne's reboot. Superman would regain A LOT of his powers and things Byrne stripped from the mythos after Byrne's departure in 1988. The ability to survive in space with the need to breath was returned in the 1999 comic prequel Our World At War. When Superman was trained by Mongul Jr to have better control of his powers and gain fighting ability for the upcoming war with Imperiex. The Superman of the 2000-2011 (I'm not too savvy on New 52 Superman) had nearly every ability of his Pre-Crisis self. Minus the unlimited power levels. He didn't need to sleep eat or breath as long as his solar cells were charged.
Bruce Timm's tooling of the character was really a product of time it was created. Similar to how Man Of Steel Supes doesn't have the same levels of power the Supes from Superman I-IV or SR. They were based on Pre-Crisis Supes who could travel through time in the comics and move planets out of their orbit under extreme duress. MoS Supes struggled to lift a falling oil rig structure.
Byrne-era Superman needed to breath, but could hold his breath for about 90 minutes and otherwise survive in space.
If out of the vicinity of a yellow sun, he would gradually lose his powers...his body stored the solar energy and could eventually run out of gas if it wasn't replenished.
If out of the vicinity of a yellow sun, he would gradually lose his powers...his body stored the solar energy and could eventually run out of gas if it wasn't replenished.
