STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

[BillJ]

The reference to softcore porn was not about how much skin is being shown.

So a woman changing clothes during a conversation equates to softcore porn in your world? What kind of spastic convulsions did you have when you could see Troi's nipples through her shear nightgown in The Price?

 

[HaventGotALife]

"A movie that wishes to be taken seriously?"

Really?

How seriously does this movie wish to be taken? By whom?

Did earlier Trek movies wish to be taken seriously? Did any succeed? Did they make their mamas proud?

Thanks for twisting my words, this is the third correction. 180 million dollars is serious money. If JJ cares about his craft, if he wishes for another story to tell, he needs this movie to be taken seriously by the general public. Thanks again!

 

[JarodRussell]

I really see no point discussing the objectification of women in the entertainment industry on a message board that has repeatedly failed to get rid of Babe of the Week threads, the culmination of sexism around here.

 

[BillJ]

I really see no point discussing the objectification of women in the entertainment industry on a message board that has repeatedly failed to get rid of Babe of the Week threads, the culmination of sexism around here.

The women here are more than welcome to start a 'Dude of the Week' thread.

 

[Dream]

I really see no point discussing the objectification of women in the entertainment industry on a message board that has repeatedly failed to get rid of Babe of the Week threads, the culmination of sexism around here.

The women here are more than welcome to start a 'Dude of the Week' thread.

'Dude of the Week' threads were actually attempted a while back, but they died off because of a lack of interest.

 

[BillJ]

I really see no point discussing the objectification of women in the entertainment industry on a message board that has repeatedly failed to get rid of Babe of the Week threads, the culmination of sexism around here.

The women here are more than welcome to start a 'Dude of the Week' thread.

'Dude of the Week' threads were actually attempted a while back, but they died off because of a lack of interest.

Fair enough. But the freedom exists to ogle men the same way women are ogled.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Re: Alice Eve in her undies

Somewhere Gene Roddenberry has a huge fucking smile on his face about it.

 

[JarodRussell]

The women here are more than welcome to start a 'Dude of the Week' thread.

Yeah because two wrongs make a right.

 

[BillJ]

The women here are more than welcome to start a 'Dude of the Week' thread.

Yeah because two wrongs make a right.

Why is it wrong to admire a beautiful person, male or female?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I really see no point discussing the objectification of women in the entertainment industry...

Fair enough. Say no more.

Assuming that this is anything other than the excitement of having found an objection that might actually have a chance of winding folks up around here.

 

[HaventGotALife]

The women here are more than welcome to start a 'Dude of the Week' thread.

Yeah because two wrongs make a right.

Co-sign. Let's start giving men anorexia and photoshopping to inescapably small sizes, and see what we think about the blatant "well, they can do it to men, too" bull. Men want what they see in the magazines, and so do women. Having this standard of beauty is killing little girls. But JJ isn't responsible for any of that. He's just feasting on it. Star Trek should be better than that, and it never has been.

 

[BillJ]

The women here are more than welcome to start a 'Dude of the Week' thread.

Yeah because two wrongs make a right.

Co-sign. Let's start giving men anorexia and photoshopping to inescapably small sizes, and see what we think about the blatant "well, they can do it to men, too" bull. Men want what they see in the magazines, and so do women. Having this standard of beauty is killing little girls. But JJ isn't responsible for any of that. He's just feasting on it. Star Trek should be better than that, and it never has been.

It's really all I got. Of course it's all Hollywood's and men's fault. The parents never factor into the equation of a little girl having a healthy body image.

 

[HaventGotALife]

The women here are more than welcome to start a 'Dude of the Week' thread.

Yeah because two wrongs make a right.

Why is it wrong to admire a beautiful person, male or female?

Because your girlfriend wants to look like that, can't, and she's going to kill herself trying to look like that. Because the standard of beauty is not realistic. What do I mean? Photoshop. As Cindy Crawford says "I wish I looked like Cindy Crawford, too." Because of how much time and energy goes into each photograph for it to be right. Because women compare themselves to that image, that isn't really what the woman on the cover looks like.

It takes the thoughts and feelings and worth out of the woman and says "As long as you look like this, you can get whatever you want." That's all that matters.

Do you ever stop to think: What is she thinking about in that picture? What is the picture trying to tell me? Or are you just glancing over the pretty parts?

 

[Amaris]

The reference to softcore porn was not about how much skin is being shown. It was about the type of film making JJ is engaging in these scenes. It serves no purpose in the story, therefore, we are just looking at her like a piece of meat. Therefore, we are engaging in filmmaking meant to make to make us excited. Hence, softcore porn.

It isn't the amount of nudity, it is the useless, gratuitous shot that does not build character, it does not move the story along, it does nothing for themes of the movie. It is just meant for little 12-year-old boys to pleasure themselves.

Why are you so interested in how 12 year old boys pleasure themselves?

 

[HaventGotALife]

The reference to softcore porn was not about how much skin is being shown. It was about the type of film making JJ is engaging in these scenes. It serves no purpose in the story, therefore, we are just looking at her like a piece of meat. Therefore, we are engaging in filmmaking meant to make to make us excited. Hence, softcore porn.

It isn't the amount of nudity, it is the useless, gratuitous shot that does not build character, it does not move the story along, it does nothing for themes of the movie. It is just meant for little 12-year-old boys to pleasure themselves.

Why are you so interested in how 12 year old boys pleasure themselves?

If that's not a personal attack, I don't know what is.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Because your girlfriend wants to look like that, can't, and she's going to kill herself trying to look like that.

Take a deep breath. Let it out slowly. Repeat.

 

[Ryan8bit]

Why are you so interested in how 12 year old boys pleasure themselves?

Man, when I was 12 I think that episode aired where Crusher and Troi were doing stretches in spandex. Mmm.

Wait, what was this thread about again?

 

[Titus Andronicus]

I think we may have moved just a bit off topic here. Perhaps we should start a thread elsewhere in this section to discuss the film and body images?

 

[BillJ]

It takes the thoughts and feelings and worth out of the woman and says "As long as you look like this, you can get whatever you want." That's all that matters.

Do you ever stop to think: What is she thinking about in that picture? What is the picture trying to tell me? Or are you just glancing over the pretty parts?

I'm guessing I have no idea what I'm talking about because I have a twenty-year old daughter in a healthy relationship and with a healthy body image. She never wanted to be a size 0 because we always taught her to be who she was meant to be and not what someone else wanted her to be.

Why would I care what someone is thinking in a photo?

This is actually veering wayyyyy off course. Best to get back to the topic of the movie.

 

[Amasov]

I didn't see anyone addressing this, so thought I'd ask:

How did Uhura and Sulu get off their shuttle and what happened to it?

From what I gather after one viewing; they did not beam off it, they wore wetsuits as well (Sulu's line "ready to swim" from the trailers), so they probably flew it out of the volcanic ash cloud into the ocean, close to the E, abandoned the shuttle and swam to the Enterprise like Kirk and McCoy did later? If so, add even more cultural contamination once they find the wreckage someday...

Set it to self-destruct just after they bail out?