Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.


Grade the movie...

  1. A+

  2. A

  3. A-

  4. B+

  5. B

  6. B-

  7. C+

  8. C

  9. C-

  10. D+

  11. D

  12. D-

  13. F

  1. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

    I think you misunderstand. I come here because I LIKE to see different viewpoints than my own. I want my views of Trek challenged. If we all thought the same way, there'd be little reason to come here.
  2. Belz...

    Belz... Commodore Commodore

    May 19, 2013
    In a finely-crafted cosmos... of my own making.
    Speaking of, why are you so emotional, here ? Again, we're just discussing a fictional show. No need to get excited. Timewalker's the one who felt attacked for no reason. I, personally, am quite happy that people have different opinions. Otherwise there'd be no progress.

    But BillJ is right: you participate in discussions, your views will be disagreed with and your claims challenged. It's not a matter of winning (not for everyone, anyway), but about the free exchange of ideas.
  3. Count Zero

    Count Zero Make our planet great again! Moderator

    Mar 19, 2005
    European Union
    No one was flaming or trolling you but if you feel that's the case anywhere on the board please use the "notify moderator" button on the post in question. Don't accuse others of flaming or trolling and don't answer back in kind because that will invariably escalate the situation or derail the thread. That said, I hope you reconsider because Belz was just having a normal conversation with you.
  4. SheliakBob

    SheliakBob Commander Red Shirt

    Apr 30, 2007
    Morgantown, Wv.
    Okay. Two things.
    One: I find it amusing that JJ is taking flak for the only scene in the whole movie that I am at all interested in. It's not easy being the Dark Overlord, apparently.

    Two: Well, in the spirit of looking for things of interest, rather than simply re-iterating my antipathy to the whole JJverse...What sort of aliens do we get in this new film? How many background aliens show up? Are they pretty much the same ones as in the first, or are there startling new make-ups on display?

    (and, demmit, truth be told, I'm moderately interested in the Klingon scenes, but it's funnier to insist that only a barely clad Ms. Eve can rouse my interest. truth is hard.)
  5. Spock/Uhura Fan

    Spock/Uhura Fan Captain Captain

    Aug 20, 2012
    Where It's At.
    Yeah, I think that's why Lindelof is talking about it now. :rolleyes: Sorry, nothing against you, but that's how I feel. I'm happy to be wrong, though.

    On the Klingons, well, they look different from any Klingons I've seen. That's all I can say. There's not much dialogue and they are hardly used.
  6. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Jan 20, 2007
    inside teacake
    We got NuKirk in his tighty whities and no one cared.

  7. Coloratura

    Coloratura Unsung Aria Premium Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    United States
    I care. :adore:

    (I love your avatar :D )
  8. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

    That was far more gratuitous than the Eve scene. Kirk and Gaila should've been sitting on a sofa discussing Bible passages.

    teacake, your avatar is... disturbing. :guffaw:
  9. Belz...

    Belz... Commodore Commodore

    May 19, 2013
    In a finely-crafted cosmos... of my own making.
    And yet strangely alluring...
  10. Flake

    Flake Commodore Commodore

    Dec 23, 2001
    Manchester, UK
    Biggest laughs in into darkness anyone?

    For me it's kirk and Spock 'im gonna miss you' exchange :lol:

    And Scotty calling Kirk a mad bastard :lol:
  11. Coloratura

    Coloratura Unsung Aria Premium Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    United States
    I loved Scotty's outfit in the bar, myself. :lol:
  12. CorporalCaptain

    CorporalCaptain Admiral Admiral

    Feb 12, 2011
    Taking up space
    Goddamn right they should've!
  13. CorporalClegg

    CorporalClegg Admiral Admiral

    Aug 23, 2001
    Full of hot air.
    Exactly. If someone calls you out for your bullshit, stand up for yourself.

    And since Timewalker is probably still watching:

    Except I said, "Melville, Dickens, and Shakespeare."

    Meyer quoted the former two extensively in TWOK for no other reason than he couldn't think of anything better.

    He also gave us a bad guy whose whole shtick was to just quote Shakespeare. The guy didn't have an original thought of his own. And, had the character not been in the hands of one of the all-time great actors, would probably be a meme of its own now.

    Is this necessarily bad? No. But let's not make it out to be more than it is.

    As far as the radiation chamber scene in STiD, I thought it was fucking brilliant. As I've said before it was, at its core, just a John Bradfordesque visual paradox. But there was a deeper meaning than that to it.

    As many have said, nuVerse is really a love story between Kirk and Spock. This visual cue here when juxtaposed with that in TWOK demonstrates that the two men are just haves of a greater whole. And however you scramble them up in whatever reality you're in, they belong together.

    Or, as some dude once said:

    "Strangers passing in the street
    By chance two separate glances meet
    And I am you and what I see is me
    And do I take you by the hand
    And lead you through the land
    And help me understand the best I can"

    Sums up the JJverse pretty spot-on IMO.
  14. Blue_Trek

    Blue_Trek Captain Captain

    Mar 7, 2009
    I wonder if Timewalkers perspective opinion holds that TMP is better than either ST09 or STID ?
  15. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral


    I actually still rank it and The Undiscovered Country higher than the two Abrams movies. :techman:
  16. Blue_Trek

    Blue_Trek Captain Captain

    Mar 7, 2009
    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I guess.
    Personally I can't see me ever ranking the TMP higher than any Trek movie ever, now or into the future, yup it was that bad too me.
  17. Captain Kathryn

    Captain Kathryn Commodore Commodore

    Feb 26, 2013
    Captain Kathryn
    It's awesome! :evil::evil::evil::evil:
  18. trevanian

    trevanian Rear Admiral

    Oct 14, 2004
    That's being pretty dismissive of the whole "I don't believe in the no-win scenario/I don't like to lose" stuff, which really defined Kirk a bit further than had been previously seen. Meyer does like to do his riffs, but there's actually good dialog in a lot of that as well that does not all owe to Adlai Stevenson or Nixon or earlier greater writers. Facing death was a theme he was working through at that time with his print work, CONFESSIONS OF A HOMING PIGEON, which has a concluding chapter or two that anticipate TWOK in a few ways (I had read the novel before TWOK came out, and immediately reread it afterward, and have probably read it 8 or 9 times since then as well.)

    I think I'd fault Meyer more as director than writer on TWOK, in that Khan loses his menace in the last act with all the wide-eyed stuff that verges a bit on comedy. That, coupled with the silly 'mix the antimatter/spread pixiedust over the energizer' business he gave Spock to do, subtracts rather than enhances. But even there it is more than made up for with stuff like the shot of Spock's empty chair on the bridge.
  19. Belz...

    Belz... Commodore Commodore

    May 19, 2013
    In a finely-crafted cosmos... of my own making.
    TMP is my second-favourite Trek movie, after TWOK. I find its slow-paced, full-sci-fi plot refreshing. You don't see much of that.

    In fact, the villain in his other movie keeps quoting Shakespeare, too. Why ? No reason.

    I'd even venture to say that Kirk's death in Into Darkness is better foreshadowed than Spock's in TWOK. And the latter is my all-time favourite character death scene ever.
  20. M'Sharak

    M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Moderator

    Aug 22, 2002
    Terra Inlandia
    R. Star, this is at least the third thread in this forum, over the last day or so, in which you've tried to complain about some sort of active bias by which the tendering of a dissenting opinion opens one up to being personally abused or to being forced to adopt a "correct" opinion.

    You're doing it wrong.

    If you believe you have a legitimate and specific complaint about another poster, or that a post's content is in violation of a specific board rule, then what you should do is to make use of the "Notify moderator" button on the post in question or to contact the forum moderator by PM. What you should not do is to repeatedly air vague complaints in the middle of active threads which are about something else. This is not the appropriate forum for that, and I'd like it very much if I didn't see you do it here again.

    Let's not wind that clock up again, shall we?