STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

[shapeshifter]

Finally saw it.

Not much left to say here that hasn't already been said so, brass tacks; it was, despite the oddity's, fun. A.

 

[JarodRussell]

How would you guys think about the remake of Spock's death scene from TWOK, and had Spock shouted "HAAARRRRRRRRISSSSSOOOOOOOONNN!" after Kirk died, had Harrison NOT been Khan?

That would just be stupid and meaningless since Harrison is a made up identity. Having him be Khan carries so much more weight and meaning with it.

What meaning?

 

[Lapis Exilis]

Trust me, back in the 80s the plot holes and inconsistencies of TWOK were discussed by Trek fans ad nauseum. Starting with Space Seed was a season 1 episode and Chekov wasn't even on the ship until season 2.

Chekov was on the Enterprise as early as stardate 3018.2 ("Catspaw") and "Space Seed" took place on stardate 3141.9, so Chekov would have been there even if he didn't appear onscreen.

And many people imagined that he was simply not a bridge officer during Space Seed so the viewers didn't see him - but that doesn't resolve the real world inconsistency that Chekov as a character did not exist when Space Seed aired.

And thus, all the youngsters here can see how nitpicking and fanon handwaving and inconsistencies onscreen (like stardates being shown out of order thus begging the question of which adventures preceded which) have been going on for a very, very, very long time.

 

[Count Zero]

Rewatch the film. They don't mention the Eugenics Wars but they do mention him trying to lead the world and towards the end Spock mentions that if he gets the seventy-two other Augments, that he would again start trying to cleanse those that don't meet their standards.

Well, "backstory" may not be the appropriate term for the distinction Lapis Exilis was originally contemplating.

It's possibly more that what we see feels like a very incomplete chunk of Khan's story.

True but I don't think that any more was necessary because what we see of Khan in the movie itself is much more terrifying than someone making vague remarks about the Eugenics Wars like in "Space Seed".
Khan doesn't even flinch when he's accused of wanting to commit genocide on those he considers inferior, unlike Khan in "Space Seed" who tried to justify his past actions.
We see what destruction he alone can cause, first on Qo'nos, then onboard the Vengeance. Just imagine what 72 of those people could do.

I've been a life-long Trekkie and I didn't mind Khan looking or being different from the one we saw in TOS. To me, this is all a different take on themes and characters from Trek lore.

 

[Brent]

For a Star Trek film a D. Only cause there is a little bit of Trek in there.

I don't really get that comment, cause I saw a lot of Star Trek in there. In fact, the whole thing was Star Trek. Even if you don't think it was, the homages alone were plentiful.

 

[ConRefit79]

For a Star Trek film a D. Only cause there is a little bit of Trek in there.

I don't really get that comment, cause I saw a lot of Star Trek in there. In fact, the whole thing was Star Trek. Even if you don't think it was, the homages alone were plentiful.

We're all entitled to our own opinions.

 

[Brent]

For a Star Trek film a D. Only cause there is a little bit of Trek in there.

I don't really get that comment, cause I saw a lot of Star Trek in there. In fact, the whole thing was Star Trek. Even if you don't think it was, the homages alone were plentiful.

We're all entitled to our own opinions.

There is opinion, and there is fact. You state "There is a little bit of Star Trek in there.

I think this is false. I think fact states there was a lot of Star Trek in there.

I think a lot of people (and this is opinion) are ignoring the facts.

 

[dulcimer47]

For a Star Trek film a D. Only cause there is a little bit of Trek in there.

I don't really get that comment, cause I saw a lot of Star Trek in there. In fact, the whole thing was Star Trek. Even if you don't think it was, the homages alone were plentiful.

"Homage to Star Trek" does not equal "Star Trek".

 

[Amaris]

For a Star Trek film a D. Only cause there is a little bit of Trek in there.

I don't really get that comment, cause I saw a lot of Star Trek in there. In fact, the whole thing was Star Trek. Even if you don't think it was, the homages alone were plentiful.

"Homage to Star Trek" does not equal "Star Trek".

It does when the movie says "Star Trek" in the title, is described as a Star Trek movie, and has been authorized as a Star Trek movie by the company who owns the rights to make Star Trek movies.

Anything to the contrary is nothing more than personal opinion masquerading as fact.

 

[Cadet49]

I liked the theme in the film, about overcoming the desire for revenge, which was something Kirk faced in the TOS episode Arena, when he wanted revenge on The Gorn for destroying the Cestis 3 colony, but learned to overcome this impulse for revenge.

 

[ConRefit79]

I don't really get that comment, cause I saw a lot of Star Trek in there. In fact, the whole thing was Star Trek. Even if you don't think it was, the homages alone were plentiful.

We're all entitled to our own opinions.

There is opinion, and there is fact. You state "There is a little bit of Star Trek in there.

I think this is false. I think fact states there was a lot of Star Trek in there.

I think a lot of people (and this is opinion) are ignoring the facts.

Films are supposed to be art which is completely subjective. This film and the last one just do not feel like Star Trek to me. If people like it, good for them. If they don't there is nothing wrong with that either.

 

[EnsignRicky]

They're going to have an easier five year mission this time around.

Not only do they have have phone a friend with Old Spock but if things really go bad, magic Khan blood for everyone.

 

[Amaris]

They're going to have an easier five year mission this time around.

Not only do they have have phone a friend with Old Spock but if things really go bad, magic Khan blood for everyone.

That's why no one ever gets sick or dies in Star Trek, because they always use the transporters to rejuvena-... oh, wait, no they don't.

 

[Therin of Andor]

I just couldn't help get this nagging feeling of Uhura reading from dictionaries in Star Trek VI ("We is condemning food and things") while talking to the Klingons in this movie. My rationale was that the TUC version of Uhura is stupid and inept and never should have been that way, and this version is much more preferable. A friend of mine even went further to say that maybe prime Uhura did know Klingon when she was younger

Nomad wiped her memory in "The Changeling", remember, and she had to be retrained by Christine Chapel. Uhura may have lost lots of memories from her past.

 

[Mutai Sho-Rin]

I don't like to apply a grading scale, it seems too rigid. Saw it in 2D this morning at the early matinee ($6.00 senior discount) in a theater about 1/4 full. Thoroughly enjoyed the whole thing. I liked the characters in 09 and they only grew this time, especially Sulu and McCoy. Cumberbatch was outstanding with the intensity of voice and expression. The story was somewhat predictable taken as a whole, but the twists kept it interesting. As with the 09 movie, I never noticed the much bitched-about lens flares. I'll be seeing it again in a few weeks with my wife and a couple to Trekkie friends. I hope to pay more attention to the score this time.

 

[Brent]

We're all entitled to our own opinions.

There is opinion, and there is fact. You state "There is a little bit of Star Trek in there.

I think this is false. I think fact states there was a lot of Star Trek in there.

I think a lot of people (and this is opinion) are ignoring the facts.

Films are supposed to be art which is completely subjective. This film and the last one just do not feel like Star Trek to me. If people like it, good for them. If they don't there is nothing wrong with that either.

Ahah it doesn't "feel like Star Trek" to you. However, the fact is, that it IS Star Trek, despite how you feel it should or shouldn't be. Like it or not, it is Star Trek, and there is a lot of Star Trek in there, not a "little".

All that said, point is, there is a lot of Star Trek in this Star Trek film, not a "little"

 

[ConRefit79]

There is opinion, and there is fact. You state "There is a little bit of Star Trek in there.

I think this is false. I think fact states there was a lot of Star Trek in there.

I think a lot of people (and this is opinion) are ignoring the facts.

Films are supposed to be art which is completely subjective. This film and the last one just do not feel like Star Trek to me. If people like it, good for them. If they don't there is nothing wrong with that either.

Ahah it doesn't "feel like Star Trek" to you. However, the fact is, that it IS Star Trek, despite how you feel it should or shouldn't be. Like it or not, it is Star Trek, and there is a lot of Star Trek in there, not a "little".

All that said, point is, there is a lot of Star Trek in this Star Trek film, not a "little"

Whatever dude. Just be thankful they're making something you enjoy as "Star Trek".

 

[Amaris]

Films are supposed to be art which is completely subjective. This film and the last one just do not feel like Star Trek to me. If people like it, good for them. If they don't there is nothing wrong with that either.

Ahah it doesn't "feel like Star Trek" to you. However, the fact is, that it IS Star Trek, despite how you feel it should or shouldn't be. Like it or not, it is Star Trek, and there is a lot of Star Trek in there, not a "little".

All that said, point is, there is a lot of Star Trek in this Star Trek film, not a "little"

Whatever dude. Just be thankful they're making something you enjoy as "Star Trek".

You're still trying to frame his definition as subjective. It is Star Trek, in every objective sense of the word. Subjectively, your mileage may vary, but that doesn't change the fact that it is Star Trek.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Can someone please tell me what the fuck a Star Trek film is?

Do we count "Galaxy Quest" or not?

 

[ConRefit79]

Can someone please tell me what the fuck a Star Trek film is?

Do we count "Galaxy Quest" or not?

I would have to say no.